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[RandomGuy]

most white racists are in the Trump party.

Show the statistics to support that claim.

http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/...tical-parties/

Start off with simple composition. The GOP is almost exclusively white, roughly 86% as of 2016, compared to 56% for Democrats.

Given a tentative assumption that white racists are equally likely to be Democrats or Trump Party, this gives us our multiplier.

We then need the raw number to multiply.

We are hindered here somewhat by the fact that not all states require specific party registration.
We can get close though.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...istered-voters
44M Democrats 32M Trump Party

24M white people are democrats, 27M whites are Trump Party

That gets you, all things equal and sheer raw numbers, to that conclusion.

Let's abandon that tentative assumption, and look at what data points we can out of various polls that would help us determine if one party or other is more likely to have views that can easily be described as racist.

Nearly half of the country (49 percent) believes Donald Trump is racist but 86 percent of Republicans say he is not, according to a recent Quinnipiac University poll. The same survey shows that 79 percent of Republicans approve of the way the president handles race. Other data points include:

52 percent of voters who supported Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election believed blacks are “less evolved” than whites, according to researchers at the Kellog School of Management.
In a 2018 YouGov poll, 59 percent of Republicans agreed: “If blacks would only try harder, they would be as well off as whites.”
The same YouGov poll revealed that 59 percent of self-identified Republicans believe blacks are treated fairly by the criminal justice system.
70 percent of Republicans agreed that increased diversity hurts whites.
Republican-appointed judges give black defendants longer jail sentences, according to a Harvard study released in May.
55 percent of white Republicans agreed “blacks have worse jobs, income and housing than white people” because “most just don’t have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves up out of poverty” according to the Washington Post’s review of data from the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center.
Nearly twice as many Republicans than Democrats (42 percent versus 24 percent) believe that blacks are lazier than whites, according to the same NORC poll.

https://www.theroot.com/how-the-repu...ism-1827779221

The data seem fairly clear.

In every poll that has attempted to measure racist views, the Trump party consistently holds those view at a higher percentage than Democrats.

I can't think of any white supremicist that has run on a Democratic ticket, even in predominantly white areas. There is a reason Representative King is in the Trump Party.

The conclusion seems a reasonable one, given what we know.

[DMC]

http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/...tical-parties/

Start off with simple composition. The GOP is almost exclusively white, roughly 86% as of 2016, compared to 56% for Democrats.

Given a tentative assumption that white racists are equally likely to be Democrats or Trump Party, this gives us our multiplier.

We then need the raw number to multiply.

We are hindered here somewhat by the fact that not all states require specific party registration.
We can get close though.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...istered-voters
44M Democrats 32M Trump Party

24M white people are democrats, 27M whites are Trump Party

That gets you, all things equal and sheer raw numbers, to that conclusion.

Let's abandon that tentative assumption, and look at what data points we can out of various polls that would help us determine if one party or other is more likely to have views that can easily be described as racist.


https://www.theroot.com/how-the-repu...ism-1827779221

The data seem fairly clear.

In every poll that has attempted to measure racist views, the Trump party consistently holds those view at a higher percentage than Democrats.

I can't think of any white supremicist that has run on a Democratic ticket, even in predominantly white areas. There is a reason Representative King is in the Trump Party.

The conclusion seems a reasonable one, given what we know.

You spent a lot of time and energy chasing the wrong stat.

You said most white racists are in the Trump party.

Illustrate how you know most white racists are even voters.

[RandomGuy]

Your idea includes wealth redistribution though, correct? Otherwise you're conjuring something from nothing.

"my idea"? What would that be? UBI?

UBI would be wealth redistribution, yes.

Little bit more on this:

Given that inflation has been curbed back, and long term growth rates have shifted from an historical 3% to closer to 2%, that would seem to indicate that inflationary pressure overall has been reduced.

Changing demographics have fundamentally altered our economy.

[RandomGuy]

You spent a lot of time and energy chasing the wrong stat.

You said most white racists are in the Trump party.

Illustrate how you know most white racists are even voters.

Hmmm. That would simply have to be an underlying assumption to be able to use voters as a proxy.

Assume: racists tend to vote at rates proportional to the general population.

One might be able to use educational attainment as a proxy, given that education and income tend to influence voting likelihood. Considering that though, one has to also account that education tends to indicate likelihood of racism for any given individual. Care to guess which party is better educated overall?

Given polling data, which merely asks whether people lean one way or another, and not specifically whether they vote, it would the question is some what moot.

If you would prefer, I would withdraw the statement,and subs ute:

White people self-identifying as Republican are more likely to hold racist views than white, self-identified Democrats.

Trumps success was driven by racial concerns.
https://www.vox.com/iden ies/2017/...-anxiety-study

Even when controlling for partisanship, ideology, region and a host of other factors, white millennials fit Michael Tesler’s analysis, explored here. As he put it, economic anxiety isn’t driving racial resentment; rather, racial resentment is driving economic anxiety. We found, as he has in a larger population, that racial resentment is the biggest predictor of white vulnerability among white millennials. Economic variables like education, income and employment made a negligible difference.

[RandomGuy]

You are one sick mother er. That crazy woman is not running circles (it's circles doofus, not rings) around Donald Trump.She is a socialist wacko who has nary a clue about what she is saying and doing. Even the powers to be in the DummyRat party know she is totally out to lunch. Kid, why don't you ask your mommy to enroll you in school so you can get an education. Every post you make, you come across as someone born without any gray matter between your ears. Most likely you are one of them Antifa assholes. Anyway, like I told you before, go yourself!

Oh, and for the record, AOC, is a walking cluster . You are just too stupidly ignorant to realize it. Now, go yourself, head.

Ah. The adult equivalent of "you are a poopyhead".

Against such an onslaught of well reasoned and data supported assertions, I am defenseless.

We seem to have found the conservative boutons.

[RandomGuy]

If we can sustain a trillion dollars for the military, we can probably squeeze in free college for a few thousand people per year over the long term.

Non sequitur

We have sustained somewhere on the order of a hundred trillion dollars in present day money for the military, and the evidence we have is that vast amounts of that are being wasted.

Simply wasting less in that bloated budget would offer savings of billions, if not hundreds of billions, if that spending was simply shifted to cover the costs, the only assumption is that spending overall is sustainable.

Assume 20,000 people at 50,000 per year. One billion dollars. add 2% administrative overhead. $1.02Bn or .00102Tn. Current DOD budget: $3,970Bn or $3.97Tn

Seems logical to assume that we can trim 0.02% if we tried really hard.

[RandomGuy]

This money does not vanish into the ether. An investment in people and productivity ends up paying the economy back,j especially when you are talking about someone who might not be able to afford college otherise (differential in lifetime income is greatest there). We are talking about a rather large percentage of our economy. $3.5Tn each year.

The problem (for lack of a better term) of paid tuition is possibly the control over who learns what. If everyone qualifies, then there will be a lot of wasted money on dropouts. If you have to pass tests to qualify and then reimburse the feds if you drop out, we'd be pretty much where we are now.

Many companies will pay for your college if you get a degree in something they can use. If the feds do the same thing, you're just offering indentured servitude which, once the drama is removed, is just an arrangement to pay your debt through service. The cool thing about that is your wages don't decrease in the process, rather they increase. So should the feds pay for college and insist that you do something a board of advisors have decided they need? For example, would you be willing to work for the federal government for 2 years if they paid for your college? What about countries that require 2 years of military service? If this country required that, and as a return they paid for your school, would that make sense to you or would it remove freedoms you think you have right now (regardless if you've already served, this is a hypothetical).

There will be dropouts in any given program. If it proves to be too high, we can put efforts into fixing it. The perfect should not be the enemy of the good. For the wider country, any such losses are vastly likely to be offset by the increased salaries of those young people who get into the medical profession, because those increases are over an entire working life, whereas the losses to dropouts are one time expenditures. Society is better off investing in its human capital in this way, especially given the huge demand for health care workers which will only increase as the population ages.

I wouldn't require any repayment if they remain in the profession for a period of time. This provides an economic incentive.

Don't really need a board of advisors to pick vocations, I suppose. Build it into the bill, and revisit occasionally, broadly structured so that the greatest demanded profession have the most slots, general prac ioner and nursing likely taking the lions share.

[RandomGuy]

Trump would have to employ black staff first. Amarosa and....?

Carson? The sole token? McConnel's wife? if you want to count the cabinet as "staff".

[DMC]

Hmmm. That would simply have to be an underlying assumption to be able to use voters as a proxy.

Assume: racists tend to vote at rates proportional to the general population.

Non sequitur.

You made a baseless statement. Now you're trying to salvage it with post sale caveats.

One might be able to use educational attainment as a proxy, given that education and income tend to influence voting likelihood. Considering that though, one has to also account that education tends to indicate likelihood of racism for any given individual. Care to guess which party is better educated overall?

Given polling data, which merely asks whether people lean one way or another, and not specifically whether they vote, it would the question is some what moot.

If you would prefer, I would withdraw the statement,and subs ute:

White people self-identifying as Republican are more likely to hold racist views than white, self-identified Democrats.

Trumps success was driven by racial concerns.
https://www.vox.com/iden ies/2017/...-anxiety-study

You haven't proven anything.

[DMC]

There will be dropouts in any given program. If it proves to be too high, we can put efforts into fixing it. The perfect should not be the enemy of the good. For the wider country, any such losses are vastly likely to be offset by the increased salaries of those young people who get into the medical profession, because those increases are over an entire working life, whereas the losses to dropouts are one time expenditures. Society is better off investing in its human capital in this way, especially given the huge demand for health care workers which will only increase as the population ages.

I wouldn't require any repayment if they remain in the profession for a period of time. This provides an economic incentive.

Don't really need a board of advisors to pick vocations, I suppose. Build it into the bill, and revisit occasionally, broadly structured so that the greatest demanded profession have the most slots, general prac ioner and nursing likely taking the lions share.

So if you wanted to go to school for engineering and there weren't any open slots, you'd either not be able to go to school for it or you'd have to pay for it yourself?

Does the taxpayer also foot the living expenses of the students? Many cannot afford to quit their jobs to go to school even if school was free.

What about undo ented illegals, do they get free school as well? If so, where will the money come from to support unlimited free education from a limited tax base?

[DMC]

We have sustained somewhere on the order of a hundred trillion dollars in present day money for the military, and the evidence we have is that vast amounts of that are being wasted.

Simply wasting less in that bloated budget would offer savings of billions, if not hundreds of billions, if that spending was simply shifted to cover the costs, the only assumption is that spending overall is sustainable.

Assume 20,000 people at 50,000 per year. One billion dollars. add 2% administrative overhead. $1.02Bn or .00102Tn. Current DOD budget: $3,970Bn or $3.97Tn

Seems logical to assume that we can trim 0.02% if we tried really hard.

This is AOC level . Any 10 year old can say "just fix it". We can supposedly fix everything by trimming the fat from existing budgets. So we have to pay for high speed rails, development of solar, elimination of fossil fuels AND college tuition and living expenses for anyone who wants to walk across the porous border.

Jesus you're ing stupid.

[Winehole23]

Jamie Galbreath takes on the jobs guarantee:

https://thebaffler.com/latest/we-work-galbraith

[RandomGuy]

So if you wanted to go to school for engineering and there weren't any open slots, you'd either not be able to go to school for it or you'd have to pay for it yourself?

Does the taxpayer also foot the living expenses of the students? Many cannot afford to quit their jobs to go to school even if school was free.

What about undo ented illegals, do they get free school as well? If so, where will the money come from to support unlimited free education from a limited tax base?

1) Proposal is for health care profession.
2) GI Bill style check sufficient for most expenses including living.
3) Happy to let DACA recipients in, but otherwise no.

(shrugs)

[RandomGuy]

This is AOC level . Any 10 year old can say "just fix it". We can supposedly fix everything by trimming the fat from existing budgets. So we have to pay for high speed rails, development of solar, elimination of fossil fuels AND college tuition and living expenses for anyone who wants to walk across the porous border.

Jesus you're ing stupid.

I have suggested a .02% change to the military budget to finance college for tens of thousands of people.

The rest of that will require increases in taxes.

Any 10 year old can stomp their feet and say "we can't do it". We supposedly can't fix anything because "reasons" and "lazy people with cell phones". So we pay for human misery and lower economic output.

Stupid or not, I am willing to try making things better for regular people. Not sure why that seems to enrage you so.

You can't think of good reasons why we can't do these things, so you resort to name-calling. Whatever works for you in your head. I'll be your huckle bearer.

[CosmicCowboy]

Huckle bearer

[SouthTexasRancher]

I never make an assertion that I am unprepared to back up, and always admit when I am wrong about something. That is the vast gulf between you and I.

Look Bozo, you and I signed up with Spurs Talk one month apart way back in 2005. Since then you have made 16 times more bull posts than me. I am fully aware that you are a radical wacko, full fledged, ultra-liberal, left-wing, socialist nut job. That's fine with me. You people are so damn worthless. None of you want to work, in fact most of you are opposed to lifting a finger unless it is to spend 24/7/365 on your mommy's computer spewing the most non sensical crap out of your mouth's. You people want free housing, free education (and by golly, all of you goofballs need an education), free food (via food stamps and handouts), free energy via wind (and when the wind stops blowing???) and solar (did Hussein oBUMmer ever blow the millions/billions on solar energy with all those solar companies he gave our tax money to that went bankrupt shortly after the transfer of funds). No kid, you freaks on the extreme, far left want everything handed to you lazy assholes. I've worked my ass off for all my near adult life and adult life. I've put in more blood, sweat and tears in a month than bums like you put in in a decade. Bottom line, is I do not have the time to babysit your sorry ass. Go find someone else to hold that dainty little hand of yours. Maybe you can make him feel good by sucking his . I'm quite sure your little pecker is too damn small for even a Scanning Electron Microscope to locate. So bug off dip and once again go yourself, preferably with a splintered baseball bat. What a freakin' imbecile U R.

[Chucho]

STR is Bonnerific x Spurs Homer. Sans the dead mom and silly alt.

[Spurs Homer]

STR is Bonnerific x Spurs Homer. Sans the dead mom and silly alt.

lol

rent free - still!


The native american whose people were erased - still defends a white supremacist -

that pretty much says all that is needed to say about this troll.

[DMC]

I have suggested a .02% change to the military budget to finance college for tens of thousands of people.

The rest of that will require increases in taxes.

Any 10 year old can stomp their feet and say "we can't do it". We supposedly can't fix anything because "reasons" and "lazy people with cell phones". So we pay for human misery and lower economic output.

Stupid or not, I am willing to try making things better for regular people. Not sure why that seems to enrage you so.

You can't think of good reasons why we can't do these things, so you resort to name-calling. Whatever works for you in your head. I'll be your huckle bearer.

"Just take money from budget X"

Gee, why can't anyone else think of that?

[DMC]

Non sequitur.

You made a baseless statement. Now you're trying to salvage it with post sale caveats.



You haven't proven anything.

I am waiting for you back up your assertion since you never make an assertion you're incapable of supporting. Anyone can just spew nonsense and abandon it when called out.

[RandomGuy]

Huckle bearer

I was hoping someone would get the joke. Had to look up the spelling.

[RandomGuy]

I am waiting for you back up your assertion since you never make an assertion you're incapable of supporting. Anyone can just spew nonsense and abandon it when called out.

Which assertion?

[CosmicCowboy]

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[Chris]

Sandy has been busy

[Pavlov]

Sandy has been busy

Yeah, I'm going to go with nothingburger.

Also, no crazy-eye picture.

This one's a dud.