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Yeah, but there is a lot of space between 29 and 50. Teams get much less conservative with 2nd round picks; they go looking for upside.
So you don't like Keldon Johnson for the Spurs cuz he's just an athlete?
And yet you do like Thybulle?
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Yeah, but there is a lot of space between 29 and 50. Teams get much less conservative with 2nd round picks; they go looking for upside.
True. Right now The Stepien sees him mostly as a second round prospect.
nbadraft.net: 2019 Extended Mock Draft 2.0
By Aran_Smith
Tue, 04/30/2019 - 3:01pm
19.
Charles Bassey 6-10 245 C Western Kentucky Fr. Bassey had a bit of a slow start to the season but improved as the season rolled along. While not the most fluid of big men, he possesses a strong frame and excellent explosiveness. He showed ability as a shot blocker, rim protector and rebounder and is a focused, compe ive and high character kid. He excels when challenged but has shown a tendency to play down to the level of his compe ion at times, which begs the question of why he and his group chose Western Kentucky. He was among the highest rated prospects in his class throughout high school and figures to be a big sleeper if he falls this far.
Why the Spurs take Charles Bassey: Bassey figures to offer some help to a team right away. He still has some rough edges, but could end up a steal in the late teens, especially if he were to land in a great organization such as the Spurs.
NBA Comparison: Gorgui Dieng29.
Matisse Thybulle 6-6 200 SG/SF Wshington Sr. Thybulle's supreme length and attention on that end, makes him one of the top defenders in the entire draft. He struggled on the offensive end for much of his career at Washington. But his three point shot finally started to click, giving him excellent 3-D upside. With a 7+ foot wingspan, Matisse has elite defensive potential.
Why the Spurs take Matisse Thybulle: After taking Bassey at 19, the Spurs grab a defensive specialist in Thybulle. Thybulle could potentially give them what Rudy Gay gives them but at a cheaper price during his rookie contract. The Spurs continue to find excellent value in the bottom half of the first round, and this year should be no different.
NBA Comparison: Andre Roberson
The Big Lead: NBA Mock Draft: Duke Stars And a Big Surprise in the Top Five
By: Kyle Koster | 3 hours ago [AKA 1 May 2019]
#19 San Antonio Spurs
Keldon Johnson, KENTUCKY: Gregg Popovich always has his own way of doing things, and predicting it is tough. Johnson is 6-foot-6 and shot 38 percent from behind the arc. He’ll have to improve defensively but, then again, so will a lot of these rookies.#29 San Antonio Spurs
Bruno Fernando, MARYLAND: This guy has a fantastic at ude and an imposing body. He provides something a little different than the existing Spurs big men, and this team loves to have diversity of lineups.
The Game Haus: 2019 NBA Mock Draft May 1
by Joe DiTullio May 1, 2019
19. San Antonio Spurs- Goga Bitadze, C, Republic of Georgia
Bitadze is a physical player who can be a force if given the opportunity.29. San Antonio Spurs- Cameron Johnson, F, UNC
The Spurs need to hit on one of their first-round picks if they want to get back to competing for championships. Johnson has great size and shooting ability, but lacks great foot speed.
I’m intrigued by Nebraska’s Isaiah Roby at 29 or later. He seems to be a modern 4 with an improving jumper. He’s capable of defending the 4 and switching on pick n rolls. In a pinch he could be a rim running 5. He didn’t develop as expected, and I think a lot of that is he prefers to blend in. I’m a Nebraska grad and I couldn’t tell you how many times I heard people around the program say “He has no idea how good he can be.”
At a place like SA with guards like Murray and White, I think we can untap his potential.
Bleacher Report: NBA Mock Draft 2019: 1st Round Projections and Top Sleeper Prospects
Zach Buckley
May 1, 2019
20. San Antonio Spurs: Rui Hachimura, PF, Gonzaga29. San Antonio Spurs (via Toronto Raptors): Dylan Windler, SF, Belmont
I don't dislike athletic players. I do dislike players who's game, primarily offense, is predicated and based on that, with very few fundamentals to lean on. That doesn't usually translate upward from level to level of basketball. They take too long to bring value to their drafting team, if they ever do.
Thybulle is a strange case. He's a generational defender, otherworldly, so much so that he only needs an average spot up 3 on offense to bring value to his drafting team. There are indications that he will have that, and if he does, he brings value to his team on his rookie deal. You might want to check out the article below. It's a methodology for small market teams to keep their heads above water.
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/04/1...surplus-value/
Another article on latent value within the draft.
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/2...respect-draft/
Another good article.
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/2...on-can-matter/
Another one.
https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/1...-mostly-silly/
If you're just going out to the major sports websites and reading their mocks, you're being taken in by the hype/publicity machine, especially in a draft as thin as this one is. TS is a great website for cutting through the crap. They tell you why a player may, or may not add value. They rank players much higher or much lower than other sites, but they'll tell you why.
TS actually has Keldon as a late first value, at #28. I looked up his shooting numbers, 2G% 3G% and FT%, and they were good. The question they must have is his defensive potential. Otherwise, he'd be ranked much higher with those shooting numbers.
I would like to get Bol with our 19th pick but if not, as long as we get Thybulle, that would make it a successful draft. He's not a "sexy pick" by any stretch of the imagination but his defense is legit and he has great wingspan. We were amongst the worst teams in steals this year and to add Murray and Thybulle out there with active hands and length will make passing lanes tighter for opposing teams. We need to get this guy!
Yeah, RC being at the club's game twice in a couple of months is probably not a coincidence. First time I saw him was against Mega Bemax, club Goga Bitadze played for at that time. Idk, I've had this feeling that Spurs might be seriously considering one of them. Btw, the club Samanic plays for right now is the same club Danny Green played for in lockout around 2010, and the same club Aron Baynes arrived from a couple of years ago.
About Samanic... He is ridiculously inconsistent. Yesterday's game (17p 11r) was the first good one after a long time, probably after 2+ months. It was probably also due to motivation, he must've known RC was there (there were also 2 other guys with him, Spurs scouts or something, I'm not sure, plus two other (I suppose) NBA scouts). He just often plays like he simply doesn't care. Starts games, tries to force it in first couple of posessions, doesn't go, and loses interest for a whole game. Here are his stats from Slovenian league, if anyone is interested: http://www.kzs.si/incl?id=968&season...yer_id=4946637 Keep in mind that the league is really bad. Imo, if he was anywhere close the NBA, he would have to double all the averages he has here. But he simply, except for a couple of games, doesn't even stand out here.
I'm not really sure why he and his agent force it so much that he wants to go overseas next year. Waiting another year or two in Europe would do him really really good. The problem I see with him is that he doesn't have a real basketball niche - some part of the game where you could say damn, he is much better in this or that than other draft prospects. He is athletic (there was some video of him dunking a step from the ft line in training) but not as athletic as some other. He can shoot the ball well (yesterday 3s - 3/3), but it usually depends if he is hot and in the rhytm. He needs to gain muscle to bully under basket with other NBA players. He also lacks good post game. In short - he is still very raw. I think once he improves, he could be useful stretch 4 in modern NBA. He is quick and agile for his size, you gotta give him that. I'm just worried about his inconsistency. If, at 19 years old, you are not going out every game like you want to prove yourself, I'm not sure... What happens in a rough NBA world? It can easily break you.
If Spurs are indeed thinking about him, I hope 2 things happen: they pick him in 2nd round and he is stashed for another year or two.
More mocks than not have Keldon going well before #19. If he fell to 19 or 29 he'd be a good possibility for the Spurs -- virtually all observers seem to think that he plays hard. That counts for a lot, too.
I would take him way before Thybulle.
Agree Johnson is projected as a mid First round pick by most mocks , not a late pick. He would be interesting if there at 19 and has more upside than thybulle. I would not consider thybulle at 19 actually.
One other Player i like if he slides a Little bit is nickel Alexander but he is more a sg.
Samanic highlights.
Samanic is a good player. He's 6-11, very mobile and quick, has solid athleticism, knows how to shoot, has post moves and is a good passer. At 19 years of age his only weakness is his frame. All this guy basically needs to do is add muscle and then get more physical. Would be the perfect big for the modern NBA. If he falls to the 2nd round I'd like for the Spurs to buy a 2nd rounder and draft him. He should play in Europe for 2-3 more years though
The problem with that is that he and his agent want the NBA next season, and they can force the issue, since I believe his contract is up.
yeah that's just stupid. Staying in Europe is better than playing in the G-League. He's nowhere near NBA ready
Almost every shot inside the 3 he took looks forced. Maybe for our second rounder if we get lucky with our first 2 (aka we end up with a mix of dombuya/kz/hachimura and kabengele/Fernando/bassey). Our biggest needs to be are defence in the wing,and a defensive big who can stretch the floor, and those would at least help. I think we'll anything be sneaky active in free agency as we can actually open up a bunch of cap space if we can use beli and or davis to help us get rid of the mills contract. It'll only be worth it if we use that space for a Tobias Harris type (or my secret pet cat cousins.......i know I'm terrible).
I remember the spurs wanting french Player mam jaiteh, but he did not want to stay in Europe So they took mulitinov.
If samanic and his agent wants the nba next year and spurs wants a stash, they Will just not take him like jaiteh.
No, his contract isn't over after the season. Still has a couple of years left.
He just have some kind of an out, then. He can't even think he will be drafted high enough to buy it out.
I can assure you that he has the type of contract that the team will profit if he goes to the NBA while he is under contract. Trust me. He can't just go without paying some money.
Right, but as a late first or second round pick, he won't make enough to cover his buyout, so he'll have to stay in Europe, most likely. Most of the European contracts that I've heard of have a high payoff for someone that young. If he gets drafted with our #29 pick, he'll be paid just a bit over $1M for his first year. That might not even cover the buyout. He'd have to stay in Europe.
That's just a ridiculously good write up. Especially since I know you know what you're talking about. Thanks for taking the time.
There's no upside to staying in Europe outside of saving the NBA team money/roster spots.
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