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    the wave of low skilled immigration has basically collapsed:

    https://gps.ucsd.edu/_files/faculty/...n_risefall.pdf

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    rate of apprehensions hasn't been this low for 45 years:


    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-22-2018 at 10:29 AM.

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    Nice job mixing immigrants with illegal immigrants and passing off apprehension chart as surrogate for "rate of immigration" .

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    We definitely need to look at reducing the amount of time it takes for skilled labor from India and China to get work visas and GC tbh. The fact it takes 10+ years for someone from India to obtain a GC is ing ridiculous. We have an extreme lack of tech talent in the US, in this tight labor market having it take 2-4 years to get a GC instead of 10-12 would be a big help tbh.

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    correlation, not causation, but it is relevant to this conversation that increased immigration over the last 40 years did NOT correlate to rising crime:

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...8.2016.1261057

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    Nice job mixing immigrants with illegal immigrants and passing off apprehension chart as surrogate for "rate of immigration" .
    I can post that too if you like, but you're right, that's mislabeled, I'll edit.

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    net immigration rates well within the historical norm at present day:


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    Still conflating immigration with illegal immigration

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    "major events impacting US immigration" for 1840s - 1850s peaks was the 30 Years War, which is what pushed Germans, Poles, Italians into, eg, Texas.

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    economic impact of immigration on Texas: the studies do not agree.

    the 2006 Texas Comptroller's report suggested a net positive

    that study and other Texas focused studies are analyzed here:

    https://files.texaspolicy.com/upload...as-Economy.pdf

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    Still conflating immigration with illegal immigration
    fine, you want that?


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    same damn trend, Darrin, the distinction makes no difference

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    "the primary reason that immigrants are drawn to Texas, both from Latin America and elsewhere in the U.S., is due to the unique economic opportunitiesthe state provides"

    ... compared to the FAILED STATE US-created holes they come from,

    AND

    TX is just across the river. "unique"

    a conservative stink tank, funded by BigCorp

    "Projects of the organization include
    Right on Crime, which is focused on criminal justice reform,[4] and

    Fueling Freedom, which seeks to

    "explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels"[5]

    by expressing views skeptical of the
    scientific consensus on climate change."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_...icy_Foundation

    sub-text:

    There is no need to increase TX safety net for these brownies, so keep reducing it, because the desperate, exploitable-for-Repug-profits immigrants will keep coming. Close the TX health care / perinatal care clinics, keep the infant/maternal mortality rate highest in developed world.


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    the wave of low skilled immigration has basically collapsed:

    https://gps.ucsd.edu/_files/faculty/...n_risefall.pdf
    Does this consider illegal immigration. Pretty sure that's what's being discussed.

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    fine, you want that?

    You're tracking apprehensions. Do you think that fewer caught means fewer crossed? Couldn't that be just the opposite?

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    already addressed. that majority of illegal immigrants in 2018 are college graduates who overstay their visas.


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    You're tracking apprehensions. Do you think that fewer caught means fewer crossed? Couldn't that be just the opposite?
    it could be. make your case.

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    it could be. make your case.
    I don't need to. Confirmation bias is on your side since we cannot disprove a negative. You're the one trying to show correlation. Prove there's correlation between number of apprehensions and number of crossings.

    Also, how does this have anything at all to do with education level that you showed earlier when you were conflating immigration with illegal immigration?

    What's the odds that all these congressmen who are against a border wall actually live in gated communities?

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    already addressed. that majority of illegal immigrants in 2018 are college graduates who overstay their visas.

    The wall is for people who cross the border illegally. They are undo ented. You're playing a game of semantics. You're comparing people who won't leave the store after closing to people who broke in through the back door. One is illegal trespass while the other is breaking and entering.

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    The wall is for people who cross the border illegally. They are undo ented. You're playing a game of semantics. You're comparing people who won't leave the store after closing to people who broke in through the back door. One is illegal trespass while the other is breaking and entering.
    I think he's saying that right now, illegal trespass is a much bigger problem than breaking and entering such that it doesn't make sense to focus on a solution that only solves the breaking and entering problem.

    Just for the sake of playing devil's advocate to that argument, one fair point is that building a fence to stop illegals from crossing the border isn't mutually exclusive with enforcing immigration laws against those with overstayed visas.
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    its really not that big of a deal. only ed morons actually believe that immigration is this huge issue thats killing the US. the problem in this country is its being run by anti-science morons and the populace in general is fairly scientifically illiterate.
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    "country is its being run by anti-science morons"

    nope,

    the country is being run by extremely intelligent, extremely motivated, relentless predators, and they hire, with high starting salaries, the best physics, chemistry, and math graduates and post graduates





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    Seems like a significant amount still cross the border. That's not really a good argument tbh.
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