*** Official 2019-2020 Dallas Cowboys Thread ***

[spurraider21]

The problem is the flawed system the NFL has in place for RB's considering today's RB lifespan.. To take a 1st round RB with both parties knowing that the rookie deal is already the majority of that potential lifespan makes no sense for the player.. Signing them to a lucrative deal before ever playing a down in the league makes no sense for the team.

The NFL needs to come up with a system similar to the NBA to allow teams to go over the cap to keep their own guys they draft without any penalty. The Cowboys should not be penalized for drafting well with the majority of the last 5 years of picks. Every new deal that comes out is basically setting the market, it makes no sense that the rules aren't adjusting with inflation of salaries.

agreed. its ed up. the previous system was getting out of hand though, with unproven rookies demanding tens of millions of guaranteed deals. though now, having a good qb on a rookie deal is the surefire way for a team to be good. its an imbalanced system

[DJR210]

agreed. its ed up. the previous system was getting out of hand though, with unproven rookies demanding tens of millions of guaranteed deals. though now, having a good qb on a rookie deal is the surefire way for a team to be good. its an imbalanced system

I'm perfectly happy with Zeke becoming Barry 2.0 tbh. Cowherd today apparently alluded to that possibility as well on his ty ass radio show.

I'm glad Jerry is taking this stance because athletes in general got things backwards these days. I honestly feel that LeBron started this whole problem with players trying to run the show. He's been running franchises behind the scenes since he left Cleveland the first time, and his comments about owning "slaves" really started a new standard for both leagues. Somebody needs to remind these guys that it's a privilege to play professional sports even if they have elite talent.

[DJR210]

OKC Thunder had the same problem in '12, so yes it happens in basketball

OKC had 3 major stars, Durant and Westbrook were farther ahead in their development.. the didn't want to pay Harden. They probably didn't see him becoming an MVP candidate. We're talking about players within the top 5-20 at their position here with Dallas that are still proving to be an issue to sign.. Cooper is not a top 5 receiver, Dak is not a top 10 QB, vs Zeke who is the top player at his position.. Players like Cooper and Dak should not be causing a ripple effect that forces them to take a stance like they are with Zeke, there needs to be some type of incentive or some relief to help teams in this case.

Bottom line, you don't penalize the team that builds through the draft.

[Millennial_Messiah]

OKC had 3 major stars, Durant and Westbrook were farther ahead in their development.. the didn't want to pay Harden. They probably didn't see him becoming an MVP candidate. We're talking about players within the top 5-20 at their position here with Dallas that are still proving to be an issue to sign.. Cooper is not a top 5 receiver, Dak is not a top 10 QB, vs Zeke who is the top player at his position.. Players like Cooper and Dak should not be causing a ripple effect that forces them to take a stance like they are with Zeke, there needs to be some type of incentive or some relief to help teams in this case.

Bottom line, you don't penalize the team that builds through the draft.

Cooper is definitely top 10 and will likely rise to top 5 status in very short order because Julio, AB, AJG etc are all over 30.

Agree 100% on Quack. He's not even top 15 and is only arguably top 20. I'm franchise tagging him next year, and looking for a suitor; I will bite on any offer of a 2020 first, even if it's the Patriots.

Zeke is either the best or second best at his position but he's an asshole... holding out TWO years before he's up just screams cry baby all the way.


I agree that you don't penalize teams building thru the draft but the problem with the soft cap as it also allows mercenary super teams to come together and be retained through the bird rights (Heatles, Cavs, Warriors, etc) as long as the owners are willing to pay a little luxury tax, which is peanuts to them. OKC was the one genuine team that actually built a superteam pretty much exclusively through the draft, and they were extremely short lived as a bona fide contender. The mercenary teams benefit from the NBA soft cap system far more than the legit built teams.

[spurraider21]

hopkins, obj, michael thomas, tyreek, mike evans, davante adams, juju, keenan allen, ty hilton, brandin cooks, thielen/diggs... still plenty of compe ion from the younger guys when it comes to cracking a top 5

[phxspurfan]

BREAKING NEWS: Cowgirls RB Zeke Elliott has been cut, per league sauces.



j/k but yes he will not be playing for the boys ever again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

hopkins, obj, michael thomas, tyreek, mike evans, davante adams, juju, keenan allen, ty hilton, brandin cooks, thielen/diggs... still plenty of compe ion from the younger guys when it comes to cracking a top 5

The only guys I'd truly consider over Cooper on that whole list. The rest are mostly one trick ponies who aren't at all complete receivers. Cooper is a complete receiver.

1, 2, 3, and 11 are pretty complete receivers. They aren't totally unflawed; 1 costs his QB interceptions from time to time, 2 is an undisciplined nutcase, 3 isn't particularly fast, and 11... well he's actually pretty much perfect though not the flashiest guy.

4, 9 (arguable), 10, and 12 are speed receivers who aren't great route runners and don't make for reliable possession receivers when you need a critical 3rd down conversion.

5 and 6 are jump ball specialists and possession receivers who aren't fast nor particularly great route runners. They win the 1 on 1's due to catch radius alone, but they'll flame out like Dez Bryant at some point.

7 and 8 are good route runners and possession receivers, but 7 is just a tier below the rest for now and 8 isn't particularly fast or a huge catch radius guy though he's a GREAT route runner.

Since you mentioned 7, I'll throw in a 13th name who came out the same time as 7 but I think is better... but his season was cut short last year to injury, but he's actually more like 11 than any other receiver on that list... his name is Cooper Kupp and he may end up making Cooks or Woods expendable long term. They can't pay all 3 big money.

[spurraider21]

tl;dr you are a cowboys fan

[SpursforSix]

tl;dr you are a cowboys fan

You were smart. It’s more bad takes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Duplicate post

[Millennial_Messiah]

You were smart. It’s more bad takes.

They're actually spot on.

Example: Tyreek Hill is a perfect match for a guy with the arm strength of Pat Mahomes and that offense, but Tyreek Hill in a vacuum isn't a top 10 receiver because he's not a complete receiver. For example, he wouldn't be nearly as good with a guy with mediocre arm strength like Axmiff, Dak, Darnold, LJax etc. He'd be pretty average at best and a gadget player on offense/great special teams player at worst, when all you're doing is throwing short screens and drags to him to take advantage of his RACability.

[spurraider21]

They're actually spot on.

Example: Tyreek Hill is a perfect match for a guy with the arm strength of Pat Mahomes and that offense, but Tyreek Hill in a vacuum isn't a top 10 receiver because he's not a complete receiver. For example, he wouldn't be nearly as good with a guy with mediocre arm strength like Axmiff, Dak, Darnold, LJax etc. He'd be pretty average at best and a gadget player on offense/great special teams player at worst, when all you're doing is throwing short screens and drags to him to take advantage of his RACability.

yeah randy moss sucks too

not to mention tyreek was already a game breaker with alex smith

why do you insist on doubling/tripling down on bad takes?

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah randy moss sucks too

not to mention tyreek was already a game breaker with alex smith

why do you insist on doubling/tripling down on bad takes?

Hill was a gadget player the first year with Smith who was amazing on special teams. He did have a solid 2017 but only after they forced Smith out of his comfort zone.

Moss was an X receiver, Hill is a small Desean jackson Z receiver, horrid comparison, drastically different body type

[spurraider21]

Hill was a gadget player the first year with Smith who was amazing on special teams. He did have a solid 2017 but only after they forced Smith out of his comfort zone.

Moss was an X receiver, Hill is a small Desean jackson Z receiver, horrid comparison, drastically different body type

their body types are irrelevant to the discussion. they're all guys who are primarily deep threats, which is why you characterized hill as a guy who is a perfect match for a guy with great arm strength. moss qualifies as well. just because a guy's primary skill is getting down the field doesn't diminish their relative greatness.

you said hill would be average at best with a qb like alex smith, but he wasn't. he was a 1200 yard receiver with alex smith. of course you bull ted an excuse for that too. i mean you SPECIFICALLY brought up alex smith as a guy hill would struggle with. there's no room to backtrack

[SpursforSix]

They're actually spot on.

Example: Tyreek Hill is a perfect match for a guy with the arm strength of Pat Mahomes and that offense, but Tyreek Hill in a vacuum isn't a top 10 receiver because he's not a complete receiver. For example, he wouldn't be nearly as good with a guy with mediocre arm strength like Axmiff, Dak, Darnold, LJax etc. He'd be pretty average at best and a gadget player on offense/great special teams player at worst, when all you're doing is throwing short screens and drags to him to take advantage of his RACability.

You always assess players or teams based on what you've seen in a game or two.
You pigeon hole Hill as just a speed guy when in fact he's also great route runner.
Recently, you said Watkins was Chief's slot guy when in fact Hill saw a greater % in the slot.

It's the same old you do over and over. About half of what you ever say is refuted by statistics.
But carry on.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You always assess players or teams based on what you've seen in a game or two.
You pigeon hole Hill as just a speed guy when in fact he's also great route runner.
Recently, you said Watkins was Chief's slot guy when in fact Hill saw a greater % in the slot.

It's the same old you do over and over. About half of what you ever say is refuted by statistics.
But carry on.

I say Watkins is a slot guy because his best plays were from the slot and he really isn't a deep guy anymore.

[SpursforSix]

I say Watkins is a slot guy because his best plays were from the slot and he really isn't a deep guy anymore.

Nope. Not what you said.

He played the majority of his snaps last year in the slot...Watkins almost exclusively plays "Y" in KC.

Watkins did not play the majority of his snaps in the slot last year. Less than 30%. That’s not “exclusively” playing the Y.

[chunticakes]

Since you mentioned [JuJu Smith-Schuster], I'll throw in a 13th name who came out the same time as [Smith-Schuster] but I think is better... but his season was cut short last year to injury, but he's actually more like [Adam Thielen] than any other receiver on that list... his name is Cooper Kupp and he may end up making Cooks or Woods expendable long term. They can't pay all 3 big money.

LMAO @ Cooper Kupp > Smith-Schuster

But you forgot to mention the GOAT wide receiver: Dontrelle Javaar Inman

[Millennial_Messiah]

LMAO @ Cooper Kupp > Smith-Schuster

But you forgot to mention the GOAT wide receiver: Dontrelle Javaar Inman

Kupp was well on his way until the injury bug hit.

Inman will be a very solid #2 on the Chargers opposite Williams, with of course Allen in the slot. Chargers will be fun to watch, bummer Derwin James is going to miss the season with the Jones fracture

[blizz]

Isn’t the game streaming online? I thought I heard that it was.

[Chris]

Isn’t the game streaming online? I thought I heard that it was.

Fed up with Sony Vue getting blacked out on everything so I switched to Spectrum Live and they have it on 3 different local news stations.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cowboys dominating their lil bro state team, 27-0 in the first half, with 4 takeaways and 7 sacks NFL = fcked ... even a blocked punt and a TD on special teams.


HOU is a 2-14 team this year, considering how bad their OL and secondary is... also, Watson isn't anything special.

[Chris]

Playcalling has been A+

[Millennial_Messiah]

Playcalling has been A+

Also, unlike other years, this team is deeeeeeeep AF... especially at positions like WR and DL.

34-0 halfway through the third quarter. Mike White playing well. Sticking it to lil bro. Loving every minute

[Chris]

Also, unlike other years, this team is deeeeeeeep AF... especially at positions like WR and DL.

34-0 halfway through the third quarter. Mike White playing well. Sticking it to lil bro. Loving every minute

WEEEEEE STAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKED