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    I know most here on ST can't relate since we're all rich and wealthy, but there is a large amount of people who will lose their homes, families, jobs, etc because of the shutdown.

    It's crazy that a lot of Americans(not ST posters)are living paycheck to paycheck. From those with entry level salaries to the ST level ballers who make $80k right out of college are struggling with making a living.

    All it takes is something like a shutdown to completely ruin your life if you don't have your together.

    Why do Americans think everything is sweet and choose not to prepare for situations like this? What's the end game with cost of living increasing and wages staying stagnant?

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    I wonder if this qualifies someone for unemployment benefits. If so we might start seeing a resource crunch at the state level.

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    Also inb4
    - They should get a better job if they can't afford to save
    - Salaries under $250K aren't meant to be living wages
    - But the Democrats
    - Why do you care more about unemployed people than the thousands of people being killed by Mexican gangs?

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    Great thread Trill. I've been part of the Department of Defense in the military for years. Luckily for me the DoD was fully funded. I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but I would be screwed living in D.C. without my military pay. The cost of living here is only behind New York, San Francisco, and LA, I think.

    I feel for those who work for government agencies that are affected by Trump's shutdown. These people earned their pay, but Trump old racist ass doesn't care about common folk. But his punkass signed into law a tax scam for the rich. him tbh.

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    Also inb4
    - They should get a better job if they can't afford to save
    - Salaries under $250K aren't meant to be living wages
    - But the Democrats
    - Why do you care more about unemployed people than the thousands of people being killed by Mexican gangs?
    American privileged whiteys kill more people than immigrants. #Facts

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    Great thread Trill. I've been part of the Department of Defense in the military for years. Luckily for me the DoD was fully funded. I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but I would be screwed living in D.C. without my military pay. The cost of living here is only behind New York, San Francisco, and LA, I think.

    I feel for those who work for government agencies that are affected by Trump's shutdown. These people earned their pay, but Trump old racist ass doesn't care about common folk. But his punkass signed into law a tax scam for the rich. him tbh.
    Same here I'm DoD too fam. I got lucky but this is a huge reality check for those less fortunate and struggling to make ends meet. These landlords and creditors can give a damn about a leniency letter.

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    "choose not to prepare for situations like this?"

    choose?

    crawling from paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes not making it to the next paycheck,

    10Ms are already "rent stressed" at up to 50% of their takehome just for rent,

    and/or paying 25% cc interest on something they didn't have cash for (or 100%s to payday loan sharks),

    getting dinged $37 for a card purchase NSF,

    doesn't allow 10Ms of Americans to "prepare".


    Americans Paid $34 Billion In Overdraft Fees Last Year.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/learnve.../#338b3a493ce9


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    What's the end game with cost of living increasing and wages staying stagnant?
    Robots, AI, and simulation. That's the end game fam.

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    So glad someone started another thread about this.

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    Great thoughts on the OP, and completely agree with the disconnect and disregard in DC about these folks. They're being played for pawns in a game they have no way to resolve.

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    I know most here on ST can't relate since we're all rich and wealthy, but there is a large amount of people who will lose their homes, families, jobs, etc because of the shutdown.

    It's crazy that a lot of Americans(not ST posters)are living paycheck to paycheck. From those with entry level salaries to the ST level ballers who make $80k right out of college are struggling with making a living.

    All it takes is something like a shutdown to completely ruin your life if you don't have your together.

    Why do Americans think everything is sweet and choose not to prepare for situations like this? What's the end game with cost of living increasing and wages staying stagnant?
    Don't sweat it Trill, that check will come in near the 1st. That statue of liberty emblem will once again make your acquaintance.

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    Time to get your side hustle on

    UBER

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    Time to get your side hustle on

    UBER
    Unless you are one of the poor SOBs that still have to work without compensation

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    Why do Americans think everything is sweet and choose not to prepare for situations like this?
    Poor parenting. And a bit of Americans being overwhelmingly positive thinking so don't save for rainy day. Americans are awful planners.

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    And I'm not going to defend the shutdown... at all... but...

    Nobody is going to lose their home for lack of a couple payments. If people continue to make their house/car payments instead of feeding their family, their priorities are jacked. This will (hopefully) be overwith and backpay will be given long before people have their cars repossessed. The ones that will be hit the hardest IMO are the small businesses that rely on the federal government to operate. One or two months of zero revenue can and will sink some of them.

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    And I'm not going to defend the shutdown... at all... but...

    Nobody is going to lose their home for lack of a couple payments. If people continue to make their house/car payments instead of feeding their family, their priorities are jacked. This will (hopefully) be overwith and backpay will be given long before people have their cars repossessed. The ones that will be hit the hardest IMO are the small businesses that rely on the federal government to operate. One or two months of zero revenue can and will sink some of them.
    there's the possibility that people were already behind on payments and then the shutdown has crippled their ability to catch up. north of 75% of americans claim to live paycheck to paycheck. as the OP said, we know everybody on ST is exorbitantly wealthy, so maybe can't relate. but that's the reality. whether or not they're as financially responsible as you think they should be is irrelevant. not everybody can go a month or more without pay and shrug it off because they'll get backpay one day

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    net income from Uber in SA in Fed minimum wage max, then minus SSx2, IRS, etc.

    uber pays $0.60 / mile, while most analyses show car TCO of $0.50 - $0.60
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    Couple of thoughts.

    1) article 2 sets out the only real mention of immigration with a reference to naturalization. Why should Trump have power over immigration policy where there’s no such grant in the cons utional text.

    2) at what point does it become legitimate to say the shutdown is an impeachable offense as the president has refused to carry out his oath/the duties of his office?

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    Couple of thoughts.

    1) article 2 sets out the only real mention of immigration with a reference to naturalization. Why should Trump have power over immigration policy where there’s no such grant in the cons utional text.

    2) at what point does it become legitimate to say the shutdown is an impeachable offense as the president has refused to carry out his oath/the duties of his office?
    1. What power can he have if he doesn't have power over it?
    2. When the opposition grows balls

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    there's the possibility that people were already behind on payments and then the shutdown has crippled their ability to catch up. north of 75% of americans claim to live paycheck to paycheck. as the OP said, we know everybody on ST is exorbitantly wealthy, so maybe can't relate. but that's the reality. whether or not they're as financially responsible as you think they should be is irrelevant. not everybody can go a month or more without pay and shrug it off because they'll get backpay one day
    Well yes, being behind on payments already would give you a lower threshold for changes in income. But I still don't think people are going to be throw out to the streets en masse before this is resolved like some are saying.

    Regardless, it's pretty ing shameful and embarrassing that the US goverment can't get their together long enough to work this out and that people are being put in this situation.

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    Couple of thoughts.

    1) article 2 sets out the only real mention of immigration with a reference to naturalization. Why should Trump have power over immigration policy where there’s no such grant in the cons utional text.

    2) at what point does it become legitimate to say the shutdown is an impeachable offense as the president has refused to carry out his oath/the duties of his office?
    Because the cowards in Congress have been punting any major decision in immigration for years (and this goes to both Dems and GOP). That's how Obama was also caught with his hand in the cookie jar on immigration with DACA.

    Since they're ing cowards and won't touch this thing, they should at least sign off on giving the Executive the authority to make law, much like they did with the AUMF.

    As far as 2), I see a much more expedient resolution: most of these govt emplyees are unionized. It's only a matter of time until a court rules for an union and fines the federal government for breach of contract. After that, the shutdown can become really expensive.

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    Well yes, being behind on payments already would give you a lower threshold for changes in income. But I still don't think people are going to be throw out to the streets en masse before this is resolved like some are saying.

    Regardless, it's pretty ing shameful and embarrassing that the US goverment can't get their together long enough to work this out and that people are being put in this situation.
    Slight of hand. Think what other benefit could some folks receive from this "shutdown" when they control when it will end? It's likely not really about the wall.

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    Poor parenting. And a bit of Americans being overwhelmingly positive thinking so don't save for rainy day. Americans are awful planners.
    It’s really not that hard to start out in the red.
    Just be born to the wrong family.

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