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    Manu was better than Dirk but theres no shame in that. Doesn't mean Dirk wasn't special as well, tbh.
    Agreed, tbh. Manu's wife is attractive and beautiful. Can't say the same for Dogface, unfortunately.

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    Not trolling. Prime Manu was the better player, Dirk had the better individual accolades due to cir stances. Both were special.

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    Not trolling. Prime Manu was the better player, Dirk had the better individual accolades due to cir stances. Both were special.
    Stick to tranny porn.

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    Agreed, tbh. Manu's wife is attractive and beautiful. Can't say the same for Dogface, unfortunately.
    aren't you the same guy who was married to a black woman?

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    To be honest, Manu vs Dirk is a pretty good debate. I was trying to think who was the better player. The reason I would say Dirk is because teams gameplanned for him and he shouldered more of a load. The reason I'd say Manu is because he made teammates better and was a more complete player, but he didn't shoulder the load, Duncan did. I'd probably give a slight edge to Dirk because he won a ring as the best player on his team without another all-star. That's crazy. In any case, I'll miss them both. We truly lived a golden age of basketball.
    Manu won a gold medal with Luis Scola or Andres Nocioni as his second best player. Everything else is just cir stances that were out of Manu's control.

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    what exactly is the argument of Manu over Dirk?

    More complete player? Who gives a , Rasheed Wallace was a more "complete" player than Shaq. Shaq was slow and all he could do was baby hook and dunk. I mean, why not take Rasheed over him? He could shoot the three, more mobile, and had more moves in teh post!!

    Are we talking the fact that he never got a shot to lead a team? You could use that argument for literally any non-franchise player in the NBA. But anybody who's not a brainlet knows that there's nothing special Ginobili brings to the table where a team would lose sleep trying to gameplan for him. You can just see that by watching him. He would put up nice stats, but he's more of a Chauncey Billups/Chris Bosh type of player.

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    what exactly is the argument of Manu over Dirk?

    More complete player? Who gives a , Rasheed Wallace was a more "complete" player than Shaq. Shaq was slow and all he could do was baby hook and dunk. I mean, why not take Rasheed over him? He could shoot the three, more mobile, and had more moves in teh post!!

    Are we talking the fact that he never got a shot to lead a team? You could use that argument for literally any non-franchise player in the NBA. But anybody who's not a brainlet knows that there's nothing special Ginobili brings to the table where a team would lose sleep trying to gameplan for him. You can just see that by watching him. He would put up nice stats, but he's more of a Chauncey Billups/Chris Bosh type of player.
    the ?

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    Only spurfans, argiefans, and blatant Dirk haters even remotely consider Manu/Dirk to even be a conversation worth having.

    Manu was great and vastly underrated/underappreciated. But Dirk was transcendent and legendary. Not much comparison between the two, regardless of the situation.

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    Only spurfans, argiefans, and blatant Dirk haters even remotely consider Manu/Dirk to even be a conversation worth having.

    Manu was great and vastly underrated/underappreciated. But Dirk was transcendent and legendary. Not much comparison between the two, regardless of the situation.
    I would say only Manu s, and crazy spur homers believe Manu was better than Dirk. Dirk arguably could have had 3 rings instead of 1. He choked in '06 and '07. Even in the series in '03 I felt the Spurs got a big break with him having a major knee injury in game 3 granted I like to believe the Spurs still win the series if he didn't get hurt. Just goes to show you how great he was. I don't think Manu could have ever been even at his best the 1 guy on a championship team.

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    Never had an issue with Dirk... classy guy all around

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    I would say only Manu s, and crazy spur homers believe Manu was better than Dirk. Dirk arguably could have had 3 rings instead of 1. He choked in '06 and '07. Even in the series in '03 I felt the Spurs got a big break with him having a major knee injury in game 3 granted I like to believe the Spurs still win the series if he didn't get hurt. Just goes to show you how great he was. I don't think Manu could have ever been even at his best the 1 guy on a championship team.
    He probably would have averaged around 20 ppg for a few years at his peak, but the difference between him and superstars like Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, etc is that you can't just stick your best defender one-on-one on those guys and forget about it. You have to send double teams or come up with a scheme or else they'll consistently dominate. Manu isn't that kind of transcendental player. If he was the go-to player, you could just put Tony Allen on him and forget about it

    IMO, I actually think Tony Parker would've been a better franchise player at his prime than Manu
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    No comparison between manu and dirk. It’s just crazy anybody would even compare the two. It’s like comparing kobe to duncan. One a great complimentary piece and the other a centrepoint of a championship team.

    That said if prime manu played today he’d be an mvp candidate.

    Prime dirk would be goat.

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    I would say only Manu s, and crazy spur homers believe Manu was better than Dirk. Dirk arguably could have had 3 rings instead of 1. He choked in '06 and '07. Even in the series in '03 I felt the Spurs got a big break with him having a major knee injury in game 3 granted I like to believe the Spurs still win the series if he didn't get hurt. Just goes to show you how great he was. I don't think Manu could have ever been even at his best the 1 guy on a championship team.
    And Manu could've arguably had 6 or 7 instead of 4. So what's your point there? Your take about 2003 is re ed. They were well on their way to going down 3-1 before Dirk went down. If anything the whole nothing to lose mentality after Dirk's injury and emergence of NVE allowed them to get back in the series.

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    Not trolling. Prime Manu was the better player, Dirk had the better individual accolades due to cir stances. Both were special.
    “Cir stances” Manu chose to be in those cir stances. He could have left San Antonio and been the alpha on his own team. He chose not to. That’s on him. He decided to dominate on Easy Mode his whole career instead of switching over to Hard. He can’t ever be compared to Dirk because of that.

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    Manu Ginobili won a gold medal with teammates that made Jason Terry look like MJ. Prime Manu always had the ball in his hands at the end of games, in the highest of stakes, for a team that was a legit championship contender for the better part of an entire decade. Was he as unstoppable of a scorer or isolation player as Dirk? Of course not. But if you don't think he was special in his own right just because he had Timmy you are a re . There's not many players, if any, that ran the pick and roll as masterfully as the great Emmanuel David Ginobili.

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    Using gold medals as an argument here in that case Kobe > Duncan obviously. His years with Shaq were just “cir stances”. Also, being on Team USA and only winning bronze

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    What did Dirk ever lead Deutschland to?

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    What did Dirk ever lead Deutschland to?
    comparing German teams to those loaded Argentina squads. Just getting one of those ty Germany teams into the Olympics is a massive accomplishment.

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    And Manu could've arguably had 6 or 7 instead of 4. So what's your point there? Your take about 2003 is re ed. They were well on their way to going down 3-1 before Dirk went down. If anything the whole nothing to lose mentality after Dirk's injury and emergence of NVE allowed them to get back in the series.
    I don't see how my '03 take is re ed. Obviously you emotionally reacted without thinking this through. First off the Spurs were not on their way to going up 3-1 before Dirk went down. They were on their way to going up 2-1. Dirk got hurt in game 3 of the series and didn't play afterwards. Spurs were the favorites to win that series and I believe they would have likely won had Dirk played but I can't say with 100 percent they would. Anything could happened in game 4 with a healthy Dirk. They could have easily tied the series 2-2. Anytime a teams best player gets hurt it's a huge break for the opposition. Just look at the current Warriors run .

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    Manu Ginobili won a gold medal with teammates that made Jason Terry look like MJ. Prime Manu always had the ball in his hands at the end of games, in the highest of stakes, for a team that was a legit championship contender for the better part of an entire decade. Was he as unstoppable of a scorer or isolation player as Dirk? Of course not. But if you don't think he was special in his own right just because he had Timmy you are a re . There's not many players, if any, that ran the pick and roll as masterfully as the great Emmanuel David Ginobili.
    Manu was a talented player but to say he was better than a guy who was a perennial top MVP candidate throughout the '00s is pretty asinine. You are letting your hate cloud your judgement.

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    Tranny Porn Lover getting on by his fellow Spurs fans

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    I don't see how my '03 take is re ed. Obviously you emotionally reacted without thinking this through. First off the Spurs were not on their way to going up 3-1 before Dirk went down. They were on their way to going up 2-1. Dirk got hurt in game 3 of the series and didn't play afterwards. Spurs were the favorites to win that series and I believe they would have likely won had Dirk played but I can't say with 100 percent they would. Anything could happened in game 4 with a healthy Dirk. They could have easily tied the series 2-2. Anytime a teams best player gets hurt it's a huge break for the opposition. Just look at the current Warriors run .
    Spurs would've won regardless. To say he could've had another ring if he didn't get injured, to try to add to his legacy is weak. He might not have any of LeBron James didn't literally crawl into the fetal position during the Finals in 2012.

    Manu was a talented player but to say he was better than a guy who was a perennial top MVP candidate throughout the '00s is pretty asinine. You are letting your hate cloud your judgement.
    I don't hate Dirk. I just rate Manu appropriately. All his advanced stats suggest he was much more than just a talented sixth man. He was an elite player, his raw stats just weren't there due to cir stances.

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    “cir stances”

    Again, those were cir stances that MANU CHOSE TO LIMIT HIMSELF WITH. THAT’S HIS FAULT. If he enjoyed his role with the Spurs and didn’t want to change, that’s fine. Commendable even. But it still means that he lowered his own ceiling and legacy. He did it to himself. And obviously Manu doesn’t care about his own “very great, but not as great as Dirk” legacy nearly as much as you do

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    Horry > Jordan. Raw stats aren’t there due to “cir stances” tbh

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    comparing German teams to those loaded Argentina squads. Just getting one of those ty Germany teams into the Olympics is a massive accomplishment.
    Loaded to the point that winning a gold medal was conceivable? Nah, Manu's greatness made that happen. The French, Spanish, and Serbian have had more stacked teams (for non-USA NT standards) and they didn't do what Manu did.

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