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    Yeah, I'm not looking for that combo-forward in the 6-8/6-9 range. Rudy Gay's frame is pretty ideal, but dude is too slow to guard on the perimeter, and it's not like he was every a really good defender. I don't think LMA is going to be able to play PF much longer, so getting a seven-footer to play next to him wouldn't be my priority. I think it's a need, especially if that player can play next to bigs against most teams, so I wouldn't be against drafting a mobile center prospect. But I'm looking at Aldridge and Poeltl both as fives, so just bringing over Milutinov or signing a cheap vet fills that role for me. They can always sign yet another two-way guy to be their emergency center depth like they have the past two seasons.

    Would you be opposed to Bol Bol at 19?

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    DeRozan will be the small-forward for the foreseeable future unless Pop can find a three who can shoot like Forbes can. They need a guy who can play with those three guards and Aldridge, and that dude can't be 6-5, even with long arms. Maybe at 29 if the team picks up that needed forward at 19 and believes they can sign another with the MLE. Thybulle doesn't solve any problems Murray won't already take of though.
    And therein lies the problem... In an era when the the golden prototype is a 3 & D small forward, the Spurs have a No 3/shaky D small forward.

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    Would you be opposed to Bol Bol at 19?
    I'd trust PATFO is they picked them, because they never draft a guy without a plan for developing him. But I wouldn't draft Bol there. Like even if everyone I'd prefer above Bol was already picked, I'd prefer to trade down. I just don't believe his game will transfer, and I don't see the smooth, fluid athlete some seem to.

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    Depending on what other options are available, I wouldn't mind taking him with the 29th pick, tbh.

    As long as he can hit the 3 who cares how limited he is offensively. Seems like people are forgetting just how valuable 3&D guys are. I want both 1st Rd picks to be used on wings.
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    Small detail, but I'm guessing Thybulle measures out at 6'6" in shoes. After looking around, I found a good pic of him online standing next to Jamal Crawford, who was measured at the draft combine at 6'4.5" in bare feet, which would put him at about 6'5.5" in sneakers, and Thybulle is clearly at least a half inch taller.

    https://twitter.com/JCrossover/statu...69850169622529
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    Less skilled Danny green ? No thanks

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    Depending on what other options are available, I wouldn't mind taking him with the 29th pick, tbh.

    As long as he can hit the 3 who cares how limited he is offensively. Seems like people are forgetting just how valuable 3&D guys are. I want both 1st Rd picks to be used on wings.
    Sure, but there's nothing to indicate he can hit the three. May as well talk about Poeltl shooting them.

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    Small detail, but I'm guessing Thybulle measures out at 6'6" in shoes. After looking around, I found a good pic of him online standing next to Jamal Crawford, who was measured at the draft combine at 6'4.5" in bare feet, which would put him at about 6'5.5" in sneakers, and Thybulle is clearly at least a half inch taller. (Unfortunately can't find that pic now.)
    To me, that means little. Thybulle isn't too small to play his position. His position just already has guys at it, and the position the team needs is different. Drafting Thybulle thinking you can develop him to be a small-forward after DeRozan and others move on is one thing. Drafting him thinking there's a rotation spot for him is another.

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    Sure, but there's nothing to indicate he can hit the three. May as well talk about Poeltl shooting them.
    Not really a realistic comparison. Poeltl took one 3pt shoot in his entire college career. Thybulle took 534, and averaged 35.8% for those. He's by no means a knock down shooter, but he's not in the same category as Poeltl. His college 3pt% is closer to Derrick White's than it is to Dejounte Murray's. Kawhi shot 164 threes in college at a 25% rate.

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    Yeah, I'm not looking for that combo-forward in the 6-8/6-9 range. Rudy Gay's frame is pretty ideal, but dude is too slow to guard on the perimeter, and it's not like he was every a really good defender. I don't think LMA is going to be able to play PF much longer, so getting a seven-footer to play next to him wouldn't be my priority. I think it's a need, especially if that player can play next to bigs against most teams, so I wouldn't be against drafting a mobile center prospect. But I'm looking at Aldridge and Poeltl both as fives, so just bringing over Milutinov or signing a cheap vet fills that role for me. They can always sign yet another two-way guy to be their emergency center depth like they have the past two seasons.
    Gay was a pretty damn good sf before he blew his tendon. Between age slowing and injury he has slowed to much for most sf match ups..... He wasn't interested in defense early in his career and played for a bunch of forget one end of the flow and outscor etyem teams.

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    Not really a realistic comparison. Poeltl took one 3pt shoot in his entire college career. Thybulle took 534, and averaged 35.8% for those. He's by no means a knock down shooter, but he's not in the same category as Poeltl. His college 3pt% is closer to Derrick White's than it is to Dejounte Murray's. Kawhi shot 164 threes in college at a 25% rate.
    Murray and Leonard didn't both have years in college to fix their shot. It may never be too late to learn, but you don't look at a guy missing a really obvious skill at his age and just assume it gets fixed. But the biggest issue against Thybulle is that he isn't just a bad range shooter. He's bad at everything offensive. People say "less-skilled Danny Green" and they think of Spurs Green where he pretty much just shot threes and just think that's how Green always played (or that he was Thybulle-bad offensively until the Spurs fixed him). In reality, Danny was way better offensive player. He scored better, passed better drove better and finished better. Hell, he was a better defensive player too. Thybulle is way closer to Josh Huestis, in the bad way, than he is a legit NBA-level role-player.

    Getting off track a bit, but I'm just trying to say that the potential doesn't really seem to be there with this guy. He wasn't a very good player in college. We're not wondering how much of his game will translate, because very little of it was good enough for his level.

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    Drafting him thinking there's a rotation spot for him is another.
    Why would there be a rotation spot for anyone the Spurs draft in the first?

    Forget Thybulle for a second ... There's no likely rotation spot for anyone unless they moved up and got DeAndre Hunter or some other lotto pick.

    Cam Johnson, Keldon, Herro, Syrvidas, Samanic, Goga, Rui, Doumbaya, Bol, Fernando, Kebengele, Horton-Tucker, Roby, Gafford, Dort, Bassey, Ty Jerome, Carsen Edwards, Dylan Windler, Okeke, etc etc ... I wouldn't expect anyone of those guys to be regular rotation players next season. The lineup is pretty much set.

    None of those guys is going to be held in high enough esteem to dislodge LMA-Poeltl at center, Gay-Bertans at PF (presuming they keep Gay), DDR-Marco at SF, or the backcourt foursome of Murray-White-Forbes-Mills, and that's not even counting Walker.

    The euros would likely be stashed, the very young parked in the g-league, and the older players either still parked in the g-league or used to replace Pondexter or Cunningham at the end of the bench.

    And for me, Thybulle does have appeal in that kind of role. If there's going to be a Pondexter replacement, let it be possibly the best perimeter disrupter in recent college history going back over a decade. Let it be a zone specialist who fills a specialized niche (and I'm not saying his man d is trash either, but he does excel at zone). And can make hustle plays and run well in transition.

    It might seem a small return for a first, even at 29, but this draft ain't so hot.

    Would I rather Clarke? Yes, I think so, he might be just the type to squeeze into the rotation. I wouldn't bet on it but he might have a better shot than all the other names. I might even prefer Okeke and just take the redshirt. And of course I'd love if a package was put together to go get Hunter.

    But how would any of these guys ever play next year anyway except for injuries or Pondexter-ish minutes anyway? Maybe if Gay left there'd be an avenue for a Rui, but who knows?

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    Why would there be a rotation spot for anyone the Spurs draft in the first?
    Two things: First, Bertans hasn't locked down a rotation spot. I'm not even sure that Beli has. They both played as much as they did because Murray was out. With him back, there's going to be a chain reaction for the whole roster, not just the PG spot. Second, a lot of Thybulle's proponents want the team to draft him because of what the club needs NOW. They think there's a defensive wing problem and that drafting Matisse will help fix that. But he won't because he isn't going to make the rotation this year. As you noted the best chance that someone has to make the rotation is to be a guy bigger than Bertans but more mobile than Gay. We can talk about how many or which guys can fill that role, but we all know Thybulle does not. If you want to draft Thybulle with 2021 in mind, then you weren't part of the group I was addressing. A lot of people seem to think he'd come in and deserve minutes over Forbes, Mills and Beli. It's not likely.

    I believe team does have a hole in their rotation. I'd prefer if they ran Forbes/White/DeRozan/Aldridge as four starters with five of Murray/Mills/Beli/Bertans/Gay/Poeltl forming the bench. I don't want Jakob starting, and I don't all three of Mills, Belinelli and Bertans getting minutes. If Gay moves on, that may happen anyway, but it's not ideal. As for Poeltl, he may start, but then there'd be a rotation spot open for depth big. Maybe Milutinov comes over. But running another pure center doesn't seem smart. Where I think we'd agree is that a new rotation player is much more likely to come out of free agency than the draft. I expect then to try for a better player than Cun this year. I'm hoping that guy won't be a 6-6, 210lb wing though.

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    I wonder if Spurs/Pop have asked Dejounte about Matisse.
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    Why would there be a rotation spot for anyone the Spurs draft in the first?

    Exactly.

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    Murray and Leonard didn't both have years in college to fix their shot. It may never be too late to learn, but you don't look at a guy missing a really obvious skill at his age and just assume it gets fixed. But the biggest issue against Thybulle is that he isn't just a bad range shooter. He's bad at everything offensive. People say "less-skilled Danny Green" and they think of Spurs Green where he pretty much just shot threes and just think that's how Green always played (or that he was Thybulle-bad offensively until the Spurs fixed him). In reality, Danny was way better offensive player. He scored better, passed better drove better and finished better. Hell, he was a better defensive player too. Thybulle is way closer to Josh Huestis, in the bad way, than he is a legit NBA-level role-player.

    Getting off track a bit, but I'm just trying to say that the potential doesn't really seem to be there with this guy. He wasn't a very good player in college. We're not wondering how much of his game will translate, because very little of it was good enough for his level.
    MT shot 39% from long his first three years, on about 3.9 attempts per contest. Hes also had seasons of 84% and 85% from the FT line, another strong shooting marker. Id say he projects as a fine 3 point shooter, and to say otherwise is either to not understand how to project shooting or just plain spin.
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    I know for a fact the Spurs dont like him.
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    I like the spirit of his game, but I dont feel a pressing need for sa to target him. In the 2nd round? Sure. But I dont see him as someone that is worth fretting over.

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    I know for a fact the Spurs don’t like him.
    Dude, if you did know anyone in the organization, they know that you post here, and can't keep a confidence. The Spurs draft run-up is one of the tightest ships in the league. Letting out even negative information would be bad. Spurs are not above using disinformation.

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    Looking at getting a C/ PF and a SF so Clarke, Louis King, Williams, Goga, Fernando, etc. are way ahead of him for first two picks.

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    Looking at getting a C/ PF and a SF so Clarke, Louis King, Williams, Goga, Fernando, etc. are way ahead of him for first two picks.
    That would be if the Spurs actually drafted for need over BPA.

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    I know for a fact the Spurs don’t like him.
    How do you know this?

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    https://www.thestepien.com/2019/01/0...isse-thybulle/

    One of the more interesting players I've seen around our pick tbh. Here's an article that found breaking him down if you are interested.
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    Washington’s Matisse Thybulle won’t attend NBA draft combine, despite invitation

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/washingtons-matisse-thybulle-wont-attent-nba-draft-combine-despite-invitiation/

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    Washington’s Matisse Thybulle won’t attend NBA draft combine, despite invitation

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...e-invitiation/

    Wow... both him and Hachimura? Funny thing is, a year ago people were writing articles about Thybulle maybe being undraftable because of his unusual skill set and him being hard to figure.

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