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    Believe. Kawhitstorm's Avatar
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    That's exactly my point, retard. We can sort the per game stats any way we like to exclude/include players. Do you know which stats have done away with this arbitrary exercise? The summation stats: PER and WS, which derive their values from a consideration of the TOTAL statistical impact a player had. Just use those. You're myopically focused on points plus TS because that is the only the way your boy comes out looking better.
    Again, 10 shits metric don't make a right.

    What are you on about with your latest statistical argument (that once again only considers points and TS)? Are you trying you to suggest Kiwi was more standard deviations above the mean than KD or something? Do you even know what the a standard deviation is, moron? Or how to calculate it? You're making the argument, so prove your case and show your work. I'm not going to go through 184 values subtracting the mean from each and squaring the results. Oh, found a SD calculator. Unfortunately it maxed out at 21 values, but the mean of 27.7 from these value is close enough to the supposed 26.45 mean you found (I don't trust your intellectual honesty)
    I literally posted the data, it's not my fault that you have shit stains on your monitor.

    If we're to believe the standard deviations you calculated, Kiwi was within both the standard deviation of PPG and TS, meaning he was simply "luckier" offensively than other players who also averaged within standard deviation of the mean. Kevin Durant's PPG was within the SD (not an SD away, dumbshit), but his TS was a full TWO standard deviations ABOVE the mean, so we can conclude that his performance was not a luck based result, but a result of skill.
    So you are going to legit argue 30.5 is "luck" while 30.6 is by "skill"?

    Snake's TS went from 55 to 68 within a season after becoming a wingman same w/ Wardell TS being fluffed after becoming a pseudo 1st option but yeah it was a "result of skill"
    Kiwi meanwhile MAINTAINED his ALL-TIME playoff leading career TS of 62 for a championship run.

    Since you want to go about this by the books, I'll increase the sample size as "estimate of the mean won't be as good" with a small sample size.
    Just going to do you a favor & include goodies such DK's second 3-peat that you put on the pedestal

    For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the playoffs; from 1946-47 to 2018-19; requiring Points Per Game >= 20 and Effective Field Goal Pct >= 0.450 and Games >= 15; sorted by descending True Shooting Pct

    http://bkref.com/tiny/6vrWy

    Filter for championship runs:

    Mean PPG: 25.64
    SD: 4.14
    25.64 + 4.14 = 29.8

    Mean TS: 0.56
    SD: 0.04
    0.56 + 0.04 = 0.60

    Again.....Kiwi: 30.5 / 62% (Only player to be a standard deviation above the mean in BOTH categories )

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    You're making the argument, so prove your case and show your work.
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    Player Season Age Tm PPG TS%
    Tim Duncan 2002-03 26 SAS 24.7 0.577
    LeBron James 2011-12 27 MIA 30.3 0.576
    LeBron James 2012-13 28 MIA 25.9 0.585
    Kawhi Leonard 2018-19 27 TOR 30.5 0.619
    Michael Jordan 1990-91 27 CHI 31.1 0.6
    Dwyane Wade 2005-06 24 MIA 28.4 0.593
    Larry Bird 1983-84 27 BOS 27.5 0.607
    LeBron James 2015-16 31 CLE 26.3 0.585
    Shaquille O'Neal 1999-00 27 LAL 30.7 0.556
    Michael Jordan 1992-93 29 CHI 35.1 0.553
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1993-94 31 HOU 28.9 0.568
    Larry Bird 1985-86 29 BOS 25.9 0.615
    Manu Ginobili 2004-05 27 SAS 20.8 0.652
    Michael Jordan 1991-92 28 CHI 34.5 0.571
    Kevin Durant 2017-18 29 GSW 29 0.606
    Stephen Curry 2014-15 26 GSW 28.3 0.607
    Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67 30 PHI 21.7 0.546
    Shaquille O'Neal 2001-02 29 LAL 28.5 0.569
    Tim Duncan 1998-99 22 SAS 23.2 0.573
    Magic Johnson 1986-87 27 LAL 21.8 0.607
    Shaquille O'Neal 2000-01 28 LAL 30.4 0.564
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1985-86 23 HOU 26.9 0.566
    Kobe Bryant 2009-10 31 LAL 29.2 0.567
    Dirk Nowitzki 2010-11 32 DAL 27.7 0.609
    Stephen Curry 2016-17 28 GSW 28.1 0.659
    Kyrie Irving 2015-16 23 CLE 25.2 0.574
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1979-80 32 LAL 31.9 0.611
    Kevin McHale 1985-86 28 BOS 24.9 0.636
    Kevin Durant 2016-17 28 GSW 28.5 0.683
    Isiah Thomas 1989-90 28 DET 20.5 0.56
    Clyde Drexler 1994-95 32 HOU 20.5 0.587
    Walt Frazier 1972-73 27 NYK 21.9 0.559
    Scottie Pippen 1990-91 25 CHI 21.6 0.564
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1994-95 32 HOU 33 0.56
    James Worthy 1987-88 26 LAL 21.1 0.567
    James Worthy 1986-87 25 LAL 23.6 0.624
    Maurice Lucas 1976-77 24 POR 21.2 0.559
    James Worthy 1984-85 23 LAL 21.5 0.646
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1984-85 37 LAL 21.9 0.602
    Stephen Curry 2017-18 29 GSW 25.5 0.59
    Michael Jordan 1995-96 32 CHI 30.7 0.564
    Kobe Bryant 2008-09 30 LAL 30.2 0.564
    Kobe Bryant 2000-01 22 LAL 29.4 0.555
    Chet Walker 1966-67 26 PHI 21.7 0.546
    Michael Jordan 1997-98 34 CHI 32.4 0.545
    Kevin Garnett 2007-08 31 BOS 20.4 0.542
    John Havlicek 1973-74 33 BOS 27.1 0.535
    Larry Bird 1980-81 24 BOS 21.9 0.532
    Richard Hamilton 2003-04 25 DET 21.5 0.53
    Tim Duncan 2004-05 28 SAS 23.6 0.526
    Dwyane Wade 2011-12 30 MIA 22.8 0.526
    Michael Jordan 1996-97 33 CHI 31.1 0.524
    Tony Parker 2006-07 24 SAS 20.8 0.523
    John Havlicek 1967-68 27 BOS 25.9 0.521
    Gus Williams 1978-79 25 SEA 26.7 0.518
    Kobe Bryant 1999-00 21 LAL 21.1 0.517
    Elvin Hayes 1977-78 32 WSB 21.8 0.515
    Kobe Bryant 2001-02 23 LAL 26.6 0.511
    Jamaal Wilkes 1979-80 26 LAL 20.3 0.51
    Dennis Johnson 1978-79 24 SEA 20.9 0.509
    Bob Dandridge 1977-78 30 WSB 21.2 0.508
    Willis Reed 1969-70 27 NYK 23.7 0.507
    Scottie Pippen 1992-93 27 CHI 20.1 0.504
    Dave Cowens 1975-76 27 BOS 21 0.498
    25.6421875 0.56690625
    4.142870559 0.041535852

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Again, 10 shits metric don't make a right.
    Yeah, but the cherry picked stat of points and efficiency is the "right" stat . The summation/adjusted stats have long been used over per game stats in defining player value. You got an issue with them, submit a paper to Sloan that illustrates how PPG + TS is THE defining stat.


    Again.....Kiwi: 30.5 / 62% (Only player to be a standard deviation above the mean in BOTH categories )
    Again, more intellectual dishonesty and fudging the filters to give you boy more rep. You filtered for >15 games, you monumental idiot. I guess since you only been watching basketball since 2014, you fail to realize that quite a few title runs ended before 15 games were played. Many players of that era had comparatively low PPG and TS%, which would lower the standard so that more players would be above the SD of the mean. Another sneaky filter you employed was >.450 shooting. If you're going to take a sample, include ALL title runs, even the "bad ones."

    And once again, why the so hung up on PPG and TS? We have better stats.
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  4. #329
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    And once again, why the so hung up on PPG and TS?
    Elite Postseason PPG/TS for UNDISPUTED lead-dogs with a championship run sample size is FLUFF-PROOF.

    But...but...but...Why don't we use the metric that says Dork was an elite defender or the one that indicated the '01 Lakers were better off w/ Mark Madsen rather than Shaq or the one that said '10 Richardson was more impactful than '95 Hakeem?!?!?!



    We have better stats

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    Elite Postseason PPG/TS for UNDISPUTED lead-dogs with a championship run sample size is FLUFF-PROOF.
    Go ahead and hold on to this stat then. It suggests Kevin Durant and Curry both had better runs in just the past 3 years than your boy. If anything, retard, the adjusted stats serve your boy better because of his defensive impact. And quit with the in' logical fallacies. What you're doing is appealing to the outlier. "Well, because this thing happened, it means the whole thing is invalid."

    No front office would just use PPG and TS to evaluate a player. Again, if you think it has more explanatory power than RPM, BPM, WS, PER, On/off, submit a paper to Sloan.

    End of the day, Kiwi doesn't place in the top 10 in ANY of the summation and adjusted stats. End of the day, when we don't retardedly filter, he would be within standard deviation of the mean in your beloved PPG and TS.

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    This is going to be remebered as one of the top 5 ever playoff runs.

    But mid stay hating.
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    This is going to be remebered as one of the top 5 ever playoff runs.

    But mid stay hating.
    Only by Kiwi ball handlers such as yourself. This run was statistically slightly above average vs. other superstar runs.

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    Go ahead and hold on to this stat then. It suggests Kevin Durant and Curry both had better runs in just the past 3 years than your boy.
    The two betas that joined forces b/c they couldn't lead their team to promise land on 30/62?

    No front office would just use PPG and TS to evaluate a player. Again, if you think it has more explanatory power than RPM, BPM, WS, PER, On/off, submit a paper to Sloan.
    Yeah the poster-boy of Sloan outlawed mid-range jumpers & allow TOBS Pau to be a difference maker then followed it up by blowing a series missing 28 straight 3s then capped it off by giving out an abominable contract


    End of the day, Kiwi doesn't place in the top 10 in ANY of the summation and adjusted stats. End of the day, when we don't retardedly filter, he would be within standard deviation of the mean in your beloved PPG and TS.
    End of the day you will NEVER find a 30/62 chip run no matter how many times you clean toilets at "Sloan"

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    The two betas that joined forces b/c they couldn't lead their team to promise land on 30/62?
    . those runs don't count because they're both great players



    End of the day you will NEVER find a 30/62 chip run no matter how many times you clean toilets at "Sloan"

    End of the day, you'll never find a 28/68 chip run no matter how much you play with filters to get rid of noise. End of the day, Kiwi can't even match Chuck Person and Andre Miller level all around production . Let's return to the stat YOU first used in WS/48 when you thought it benefitted your boy:



    This is just over the past decade. Your boy doesn't even have a top 5 run of the decade and lags behind the players who are considered the best of this generation.

    "Top 5 run."

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    This is going to be remebered as one of the top 5 ever playoff runs.

    But mid stay hating.
    I would hate it too if someone was living rent free in my head

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    What's living rent free is the irritation in you that there's no statistical case you can make outside of "filtering for noise" and reducing the entire sport of basketball down to PPG and TS.

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    . those runs don't count because they're both great players
    So great they had to take out Kiwi to make it past Kyle Anderson

    End of the day, you'll never find a 28/68 chip run no matter how much you play with filters to get rid of noise.
    Tbh, best wing-man run since '07 Enrique

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...s_advanced::16

    https://www.basketball-reference.com...s_shooting::19

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    What's living rent free is the irritation in you that there's no statistical case you can make outside of "filtering for noise" and reducing the entire sport of basketball down to PPG and TS.
    I'm pretty sure you also have a problem with usage & percent assisted baskets too b/c they can't be fluffed

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    "I-I-It doesn't count b-b-b-because I said so!"

    You know which stat tries to adjust for supporting cast strength? Win shares. The stat you used first in the debate, but now cry about since when we don't "filter out noise," Kiwi comes up lacking.

    He just comes up short in every conceivable metric. Sorry, bro. Suck it up and wait till next season. Maybe he'll finally put up Chuck Person level numbers (as every other all time great wing has) in the post-season.

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    You know which stat tries to adjust for supporting cast strength? Win shares. The stat you used first in the debate, but now cry about since when we don't "filter out noise," Kiwi comes up lacking.
    I threw in WS/48 along w/ the RAW stats for sorting purposes on Bball Ref which is when I made the gruesome discovery about '95 Hakeem

    He just comes up short in every conceivable metric. Sorry, bro. Suck it up and wait till next season. Maybe he'll finally put up Chuck Person level numbers (as every other all time great wing has) in the post-season.
    Wake me up when another alpha wins a chip on 30/62

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    It’s sad that we went from kobestans to nephewstans.
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