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    Your turn, CosmicCowboy.

    If this is a neutral and reasonable administrative measure why is the Trump Administration lying and stonewalling?

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    But why is the question bad and especially favoring one political party?
    The intended purpose of the question is solely to hurt an opposing political party. Which you might know if you had actually read the OP.

    I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

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    The intended purpose of the question is solely to hurt an opposing political party. Which you might know if you had actually read the OP.

    I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
    FK makes a point that has been argued by the State of Texas in redistricting lawsuits: that doing redistricting to favor one party is a legit legislative prerogative or at least, one that the judiciary shouldn't be able to second guess.

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    FK makes a point that has been argued by the State of Texas in redistricting lawsuits: that doing redistricting to favor one party is a legit legislative prerogative or at least, one that the judiciary shouldn't be able to second guess.
    The surprise would be if SCOTUS5 s block partisan gerrymandering

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    redistricting to favor one party is a legit legislative prerogative
    which of course is "plausible sounding" BULL , since it violates one-person-one-vote by disenfranchising the-other-party voters sequestered into disadvantage by gerrymandering

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    which of course is "plausible sounding" BULL , since it violates one-person-one-vote by disenfranchising the-other-party voters sequestered into disadvantage by gerrymandering
    if SCOTUS declines to get involved, the plausible sounding bull will be the custom. , it already is.

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    If immigrants aren't willing to participate in a census, are they truly planning to integrate?

    Are those immigrants America wants.

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    If immigrants aren't willing to participate in a census, are they truly planning to integrate?

    Are those immigrants America wants.
    I doubt you'd cooperate with a government you believed would use the information against you personally.

    Completely apart from that, it's normatively offensive (and possibly uncons utional) for public policies to favor and disfavor groups according to political viewpoint.
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    why do you racist, xenophobic rightwingnutjobs demand non-whites to integrate, assimilate, speak English?

    What's you problem with Amish? not assimilated, not integrated, BUT they're white, right?
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    why do you racist, xenophobic rightwingnutjobs demand non-whites to integrate, assimilate, speak English?

    What's you problem with Amish? not assimilated, not integrated, BUT their white, right?
    Media isn't complaining bout the Amish being "under-counted".

    Amish don't demand Amish literature at Universities

    Amish don't parade for Amish rights

    Amish don't riot because of "Amish mistreatment"


    That is why

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    I doubt you'd cooperate with a government you believed would use the information against you personally.

    Completely apart from that, it's normatively offensive (and possibly uncons utional) for public policies to favor and disfavor groups according to political viewpoint.
    The census isn't asking whether they are Democrats and/or if they voted Trump

    Evidently these people want government representation without participation.

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    The census isn't asking whether they are Democrats and/or if they voted Trump

    Evidently these people want government representation without participation.
    The US Cons ution requires they be counted. It has always been this way -- amend the Cons ution if you don't like it.

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    The US Cons ution requires they be counted. It has always been this way -- amend the Cons ution if you don't like it.
    I want them to be counted. Let's find out the true breakdown of this nation.

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    Winehole is correct. This administration is only interested in demonizing immigrants whether they are legal or illegal. It's ludicrous to suggest that they enforce the laws that are already on the books. Asking a legitimate question on the United States census is wholly detrimental to our Democracy and I'm disgusted by those who would suggest otherwise.

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    The US Census isn't part of immigration enforcement, not should it be. The suggestion that I -- or anyone else in this thread -- disagrees with regulating immigration per se, is pure strawmanning.

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    I want them to be counted. Let's find out the true breakdown of this nation.
    well, that's not going to happen if folks don't trust the US government not to use their census information against them.

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    Participation in the US Census is voluntary. If you're suggesting you can't understand why immigrants of any legal status might be wary of participating in a census
    Asking people (The US Census) will depress the count in areas with a lot of immigrants (illegal), like Texas, NM, Arizona and California.
    The US Census isn't part of immigration

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    Qhris doesn't know what a straw man is.

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    He also doesn't seem to understand that the Census is a head count by design.

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    Also @ CC once again supporting Trump.

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    Also @ CC once again supporting Trump.
    also, ran away from the first question put to him.

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    demonizing immigrants = enforcing the laws on the books

    I can see you missed that in your alcoholic fog.

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    demonizing immigrants = enforcing the laws on the books

    I can see you missed that in your alcoholic fog.
    So why do you demonize immigrants, Qhris?

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    demonizing immigrants = enforcing the laws on the books

    I can see you missed that in your alcoholic fog.
    Trump demonizes immigrants. So do you.

    It also seems to have escaped you that the US Census is unrelated to law enforcement.

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