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    Looks like Microsoft announced their own games streaming service, as well. Amazon is also playing with the idea.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/09/micr...ompetitor.html

    I'm not particularly excited about this since I think streaming services are shit for everything except television shows. Streaming services ironically restrict choice since you're at the mercy of what the service decides to feature. Content on these services can appear and disappear without warning, so if you signed up for a particular service because they had a great 70s action movie and Film Noir selection or something, there always looms a danger of it completely disappearing overnight.

    Everyone loves the supposedly low price and convenience of these services, but the end road of the streaming model will result in pretty much every notable content provider having their own service, i.e. HBO streaming, AMC streaming, and whoever owns the rights to the thousands upon thousands of classic films having their own dedicated streaming service to feature such, like a 20th Century Fox Classics service. It will happen and is already happening, with Disney developing their own service. So when Universal wants to start their own service, you think they're going to give content to Netflix and Amazon for a low license fee? Or even offer it?

    Same thing will happen to gaming if the streaming model takes. Ubisoft streaming, Bethesda streaming, Activision streaming, Rockstar streaming etc. Developers and publishers rely on sales obviously to make money and whatever paltry licensing fees Google or Microsoft are going to offer won't be close to what the publisher can make off a physical/digital sale. What I can see happening is Google buying up talented development houses like hotcakes.

    And from a technical perspective, it won't work as promised. 4K at 60fps lag free. Yeah, okay
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    I have no interest in game rentals when gaming is so cheap these days. It was a must when I was a kid and games were expensive but now? No way.

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    Services like Stadia and any other company who wants to try this will go nowhere with giants like Sony and Microsoft controlling most of the gaming industry.

    If both Sony and Microsoft say no to them as far as giving them right to have their exclusive games (Which they won't allow), then those company will have to rely on shitty 3rd tier games and what would happen is those other free lance gaming company will ask for an arm and a leg to have their games be hosted on their platforms.

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    Services like Stadia and any other company who wants to try this will go nowhere with giants like Sony and Microsoft controlling most of the gaming industry.

    If both Sony and Microsoft say no to them as far as giving them right to have their exclusive games (Which they won't allow), then those company will have to rely on shitty 3rd tier games and what would happen is those other free lance gaming company will ask for an arm and a leg to have their games be hosted on their platforms.
    "microsoft exclusives"...

    Halo isn't what it used to be with free battle royale games dominating the FPS market
    Gears is good
    Forza... oh no we can't get rights to forza? oh well we'll just get rights to the other dozen equally good racing games

    if google starts making high quality first party games, they'd probably leap xbox tbh.

    my main concern with stadia is what mid mentioned, quality of your gaming experience will be subject to internet connectivity/strength which is prone to es and issues. and not everybody pays good money for high speed internet

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    "microsoft exclusives"...

    Halo isn't what it used to be with free battle royale games dominating the FPS market
    Gears is good
    Forza... oh no we can't get rights to forza? oh well we'll just get rights to the other dozen equally good racing games

    if google starts making high quality first party games, they'd probably leap xbox tbh.

    my main concern with stadia is what mid mentioned, quality of your gaming experience will be subject to internet connectivity/strength which is prone to es and issues. and not everybody pays good money for high speed internet
    It's going to be a task. You encounter about a 5ms-20ms ping connected to your closest ISP server, which will then have to connect to Google Stadia's server, introducing another 5ms-20ms ping. So right off, you're at 10ms of lag best case scenario, which isn't realistic since those low pings are usually achieved under speedtest conditions which aren't performed under any substantial data load. A simple button press will now have to travel miles to Stadia's cloud server with the corresponding action having to be sent miles back to you to finally be rendered on your television (and modern tvs even in game mode add another 10-20ms of lag).

    I'm thinking the process will, at best, take about 100ms. Okay for casual games, but anything needing precision will be tough to play.

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    It's going to be a task. You encounter about a 5ms-20ms ping connected to your closest ISP server, which will then have to connect to Google Stadia's server, introducing another 5ms-20ms ping. So right off, you're at 10ms of lag best case scenario, which isn't realistic since those low pings are usually achieved under speedtest conditions which aren't performed under any substantial data load. A simple button press will now have to travel miles to Stadia's cloud server with the corresponding action having to be sent miles back to you to finally be rendered on your television (and modern tvs even in game mode add another 10-20ms of lag).

    I'm thinking the process will, at best, take about 100ms. Okay for casual games, but anything needing precision will be tough to play.
    and some lag/issues are expected when playing online multiplayer games. but people are gonna have to deal with this shit when playing some single player campaign too

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    This is bad for sony.

    Sure sony might still be the most profitble gaming company but Amazon and Google will take a decent chunk of their business.

    The issue is that sony is heavily reliant on the gaming industry while Microsoft, Amazon, Google..its only a smaller part of their business.
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    This is bad for sony.

    Sure sony might still be the most profitble gaming company but Amazon and Google will take a decent chunk of their business.

    The issue is that sony is heavily reliant on the gaming industry while Microsoft, Amazon, Google..its only a smaller part of their business.
    This hardly would affect them. They could shutter their streaming services and still be way ahead in terms of not losing money.

    With their Playstation Now service (Which is a ripoff anyways) they're only making money. They're not depending on that to keep afloat. It's more of an extra money revenue.

    I tried that once it I had a not so good experience. The lagging, bugs and all that comes with an online dependent service is just not worth it right now.

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    This is bad for sony.

    Sure sony might still be the most profitble gaming company but Amazon and Google will take a decent chunk of their business.

    The issue is that sony is heavily reliant on the gaming industry while Microsoft, Amazon, Google..its only a smaller part of their business.
    Sony should be fine since their gaming business model is built around exclusives. People buy Playstation for God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, etc.

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    Sony should be fine since their gaming business model is built around exclusives. People buy Playstation for God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, etc.
    The exclusives are just there to get you to pick the platform while the real money comes from them getting 30 cents on the dollar for every Call of Duty, FIFA, NBA 2k, Madden, Battlefield, etc. sale, including microtransactions. The great non-monetized single player exclusives won't make sense financially for Sony if people are playing the big money makers on Stadia.

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    Beta coming in November, with a full release scheduled in 2020. Promising 60fps at 4k with full 7.1 surround at 35mbps. . I'll believe that when I see it. I have nearly 500mbps speed and still suffer lag for the most basic browsing activity.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/google-st...es-controller/

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