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Jonathon Simmons was a highly motivated individual who ran up to his limit, as a bench spark. He probably thinks thinks he's due more but pop was right to limit his minutes based on his skills and peak.
Why do you imagine Kawhi ever did that?
People can easily form opinions about Pop without ever hearing a word from Kawhi. Witness this entire forum.
Jonathon Simmons was a highly motivated individual who ran up to his limit, as a bench spark. He probably thinks thinks he's due more but pop was right to limit his minutes based on his skills and peak.
Jonathan Simmons =/= Kawhi Leonard
You can tell Jon to stop shooting and low ball him, but hoping Kawhi is limited to being a 20 point, 30 mpg player to make LaMatouches happy, then giving Fatty 50 mill is a different matter altogether.
Pop treats some fairly, others he plays favorites with, and others thinks he can mold them into whatever the he wants with that outdated military style while hogging all the credit himself. It isn't going to fly in today's NBA.
so you're saying kawhi is a house slave?I not sure where the animosity comes from though he may feel disrespect from the not a leader comment (taken out of context) or feel the Spurs made him out to be a quitter.
I did have a interesting conversation with my Co worker who is very tied in to the Magic organization whose current GM has close ties to Raptors FO. We had been talking back and forth on Kawhi last couple weeks. He had a conversation this past weekend and while there was no direct info regarding Kawhi/Pop relationship someone related a time they spoke with JSimmons after coming over to Magic.
JSimmons talked about how Pop was great but there were a group of players who did what they were asked but had issues with Pop. The specific things he mentioned were Pop treating players differently and not based on star VS role player, but he had his favorites, and who played wasn't always based on merit and some guys felt they were capable of doing more to help win but had to fall in line. (which is somewhat true of any team/coach I think).
The other interesting thing was he talked about Pop's politics, not from a standpoint of these guys being repubs or necessarily disagreeing with Pop (though he did said he knew JSimms wasn't a fan of taxes) but it was more along the lines that JSimms wasn't "woke" and didn't care to be. He said there was a group of players that wanted to play basketball, give back as they saw fit, and didn't really care about political stuff and that wasn't OK with Pop. I don't have an exact quote but Simmons said something along the lines of told "a grown ass real nig**r doesn't need an old ass cracker telling him about how his people suffered and what he should be doing about it. I wanna play basketball and take care of my family". Again not a exact qoute, but what this guy remembered. Now JSimms never mentioned Kawhi but definitely said he wasn't the only one who felt this way
If you're going to censor your words, do it correctly, my guyI not sure where the animosity comes from though he may feel disrespect from the not a leader comment (taken out of context) or feel the Spurs made him out to be a quitter.
I did have a interesting conversation with my Co worker who is very tied in to the Magic organization whose current GM has close ties to Raptors FO. We had been talking back and forth on Kawhi last couple weeks. He had a conversation this past weekend and while there was no direct info regarding Kawhi/Pop relationship someone related a time they spoke with JSimmons after coming over to Magic.
JSimmons talked about how Pop was great but there were a group of players who did what they were asked but had issues with Pop. The specific things he mentioned were Pop treating players differently and not based on star VS role player, but he had his favorites, and who played wasn't always based on merit and some guys felt they were capable of doing more to help win but had to fall in line. (which is somewhat true of any team/coach I think).
The other interesting thing was he talked about Pop's politics, not from a standpoint of these guys being repubs or necessarily disagreeing with Pop (though he did said he knew JSimms wasn't a fan of taxes
I mean how would any of y'all feel if you were an NBA player and your coach shows you videos of penguins in film sessions?
If you're going to censor your words, do it correctly, my guy
"We delivered"
For someone that’s been so quiet on the court, he sure is all puffed up and wordy now.
Raps dont beat Mke without Vanfleets heroics...hate him all you want.."We delivered"
Dude was the anti mills for them
Well said Pop treats his players like college player like he has to mold them into men. the politics and just coach basketball so your team can get past the first round.
as limited as simmons is, spurs shouldve kept him instead of the overrated vets on their way out
the year the spurs made wcf against the rockets, they had david lee, simmons, dedmon, david west, let all of them walked
the following year summer, they let more younger guys go for nothing
basically half of the roster that was on that wcf run all got dealt
fck the spurms patfo getting rid of the young core that was meant to be built around kawhi, only to pissed him off with the continuing signing of vets on loyalty deals
oddly enough, the most accomplished coaches in NBA history-red, phil, riley and pop-all "molded" their players' characters (albeit in different ways and from different angles). even kerr is similar to this (as are spoelstra and rivers-which would be odd if leonard winds up a clipper).
You guys all upset about nothing. FVV didn't say " Pop". He said "smoke pot".
True. Without Tim ing Duncan, commie is .
Most people here called the fall of poop when he started getting political. It happened. If he can't shut the up next year, we'll be out in the first round again.
From the outside looking in it's always seemed like Pop was big picture kind of person. We've all heard him say there are things in life bigger than basketball or a persons individual accomplishments. I think this way of thinking does get the most out of players. It's what turns a D-League player into a starter or rotation player for an nba championship. It's not the only way of running a franchise or business but it's what has most worked for the Spurs, so why would we go away from it. I know there are some players who's thoughts are, " this I just want to play basketball", I'm sure most fans think this way as well. Some players are good enough to play in whatever the environment they want to and still succeed, Kawhi Leonard. But fringe rotation players do not do well in the type of environment that is, BASKETBALL MATTERS AND NOTHING ELSE. Nor do stars, only the truly elite can dictate the environment of the team and still succeed.I not sure where the animosity comes from though he may feel disrespect from the not a leader comment (taken out of context) or feel the Spurs made him out to be a quitter.
I did have a interesting conversation with my Co worker who is very tied in to the Magic organization whose current GM has close ties to Raptors FO. We had been talking back and forth on Kawhi last couple weeks. He had a conversation this past weekend and while there was no direct info regarding Kawhi/Pop relationship someone related a time they spoke with JSimmons after coming over to Magic.
JSimmons talked about how Pop was great but there were a group of players who did what they were asked but had issues with Pop. The specific things he mentioned were Pop treating players differently and not based on star VS role player, but he had his favorites, and who played wasn't always based on merit and some guys felt they were capable of doing more to help win but had to fall in line. (which is somewhat true of any team/coach I think).
The other interesting thing was he talked about Pop's politics, not from a standpoint of these guys being repubs or necessarily disagreeing with Pop (though he did said he knew JSimms wasn't a fan of taxes
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so conservative posters started getting salty after pop starting saying liberal things. got it!
Well Popovich’s friend is a Trump campaign donating supporter lol(peter Holt)
If true Jsims should really STFU...without POP/Spurs he'd be working at an airport unloading luggageI not sure where the animosity comes from though he may feel disrespect from the not a leader comment (taken out of context) or feel the Spurs made him out to be a quitter.
I did have a interesting conversation with my Co worker who is very tied in to the Magic organization whose current GM has close ties to Raptors FO. We had been talking back and forth on Kawhi last couple weeks. He had a conversation this past weekend and while there was no direct info regarding Kawhi/Pop relationship someone related a time they spoke with JSimmons after coming over to Magic.
JSimmons talked about how Pop was great but there were a group of players who did what they were asked but had issues with Pop. The specific things he mentioned were Pop treating players differently and not based on star VS role player, but he had his favorites, and who played wasn't always based on merit and some guys felt they were capable of doing more to help win but had to fall in line. (which is somewhat true of any team/coach I think).
The other interesting thing was he talked about Pop's politics, not from a standpoint of these guys being repubs or necessarily disagreeing with Pop (though he did said he knew JSimms wasn't a fan of taxes
It is quite transparent, isn't it?
Kinda funny to me because they support a man that attacks everyone yet Pop has justifiable feelings on the man along with a majority of his fellow Americans but cant say a word. Sounds kinda safe-spacy to me... ing MAGAts.
Pop’s been ‘political’ for a long time. BFD.
Amusing that it took some until recently to figure that out.
Justified, tbh. He deported him to "NBA Siberia" like all of you gots were saying last year. Then went on to say he wasn't a leader during the season.
FVV might have been drunk to be fair. We don't have to look any further than our GM during free agency or a drive home to realize we do stupid when we're drunk.
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