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    Damn, really? I might need to start watching Euro ball, then.

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    Good to see they're following each other in IG.

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    Because then the Spurs would have drafted Johnson & Johnson.
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    according to Billups, Luka’s comp is Wilt Chamberlain.


    At least Billups stayed in basketball comparisons. I half expected him to go farther afield....

    "This guy reminds me of Michael Phelps."

    "He's another Bruce Jenner, when he wasn't a woman."

    "A natural Ron Jeremy, if I've ever seen one."

    "Kinda today's o Jackson."

    "Reminded me of a wombat."

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    One of my issues is that spurs don't play their young guys unless there's no choice... Nuggets drafted Jocic in the second round... If spurs did that, he probably would just be coming from being stashed in Europe...

    We rave over Siakam, but no way pop would have played his skinny behind once he made a mistake...he would benched for months...

    These guys on other teams were allowed to play through the mistakes and it helped them show who they truly could be... We saw it this year with white... I was one of the only ones saying since last year white should be playing over Forbes and patty... The guy would be put into a game, then immediately pulled after a mistake, then benched... He would have gotten the same treatment this year if it wasn't for injuries, because even when the season started without Murray, he wasn't given playing time until we got another injury

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    Thanks timvp!
    They should go for bogdanovic as well.hehe

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    -Whispers about San Antonio's interest in Luka Samanic have been around for a while and the end result was the Spurs selecting the Croatian with the 19th overall pick. While this was the high end of his draft range, I went on record as saying the Spurs needed to pick him at 19 if they wanted him because he played too well at the NBA combine to trust that he'd fall to 29. It turns out that's exactly what the Spurs did.

    -Samanic is a really fascinating prospect. It's a bit strange but he's more of an American style prospect than a European style prospect. Usually, Europeans come over after having reasonable success overseas and you more or less know what you're getting. But that's not Samanic. His play in Europe was largely underwhelming, even though he didn't play at a particularly high compe ion level. Instead, Samanic was drafted by the Spurs due to his tools, athleticism and what he projects to become down the road.

    -Moreover, European scouts I've talked to are pretty low on Samanic. They thought he got pushed around a lot, had inconsistent effort and questionable dedication to his teammates. American scouts, though, see his tools and athleticism on display and picture him as a perfect fit in today's NBA. And that's probably where some of the disconnect is: European basketball is just so much more physical than the NBA right now. So while Samanic might be getting manhandled by 6-foot-10, 250-pound headhunting ogres over in Slovenia, those players don't really exist in the NBA anymore. A lot of that physicality he couldn't withstand over there would be whistled as a foul over here. I tend to buy the argument I've heard from American scouts that Samanic is built much more for the NBA game than the European game.

    -I'm a fan of his tools, plain and simple. He's a good ball-handler; he can grab a rebound and take it up himself without much issue. He's fluid when in motion and all signs point to him being an asset on the fast break. In the half court setting, his first step is really quick for a power forward. He is strong enough and crafty enough to score if a smaller player tries to stop him in the paint. He's also comfortable out beyond the three-point line. His three-point stroke is effortless and he's not afraid to let it fly.

    -In today's NBA, bigs who are naturals out on the perimeter, who can stretch the defense with their shot and who can also take advantage of mismatches against smaller players are extremely valuable. That's what Samanic can be if his tools translate as the Spurs hope. Those three attributes are the holy trinity of bigman value going forward in the league ... and it's within his grasps.

    -There's been some discussion about what position Samanic will ultimately play in the NBA but I think he's clearly a power forward. The 19-year-old is 6-foot-11 and 227 pounds so if he can gain even ten more pounds of muscle, he could eventually moonlight as a small ball center. But I don't see him a good enough rim protector to be a full-time center and he doesn't have the insane quick-twitch agility it would require for him to be a jumbo wing. Power forward is the sweet spot for his skill-set.

    -His underwhelming wingspan (6-foot-10.5) is part of the reason why he's not a rim protector. More simply, he doesn't appear to have good timing in that aspect of the game. But his 8-foot-11 standing reach could allow him to eventually be better at protecting the rim as he ages. And while he's not going to be blocking shots at a high level, he's a really good rebounder who isn't bashful about throwing around his body. I've also been impressed by how his boxing out, even against older, stronger opponents.

    -In addition to rebounding, Samanic's defensive value will be derived from his ability to be a switchable big. He's not going to be extraordinarily elite in terms of stopping quick guards but for a 6-foot-11 big, it appears he can be well above average. Most importantly, I don't see him being forced off the court like we see happen with a lot of bigs in today's NBA. Samanic should be able to defend pick-and-rolls well, switch off when needed and keep the vast majority of players in front of him. And as such, this is yet another area where he grades out as a future-proof, modern NBA bigman.

    -So, if he has all these tools, why wasn't Samanic picked higher in the draft? He hasn't put it all together. And there's a legitimate chance that he never does. Samanic is definitely a boom or bust prospect. If he never connects all the pieces of his puzzle, he won't see a second contract in the NBA. He also has to answer the questions about his commitment and tenacity that dogged him in Europe. But if he works at it, stays mentally engaged throughout the process and figures it all out, he could become a very valuable building block for the franchise as the Spurs transition to the next generation.

    -For Samanic to unlock his potential, his first step on offense is to become a unignorable three-point shooting threat. Right now, he can shoot the three but he only makes them at about a 30-33% clip. The good news is he has a quick release, a high release point and he comfortably shoots a soft ball with impressive range. Why doesn't he shoot a better percentage? It appears like he has a lot of fixable, small issues. For example, his footwork during shot preparation is sloppy and inconsistent. He also doesn't always square his shoulders up to the basket. But those are exactly the type of shooting mechanics minutiae Chip Engelland knows how to teach.

    -Beyond his shooting, Samanic's offense just needs a lot of tightening up. His dribbling in the halfcourt has to be more controlled, he needs to see the floor better to make the right pass, he needs to be more patient when in traffic, he needs to better use his athleticism when finishing at the rim, etc. While it won't be an easy process, it's doable -- there don't appear to be any fatal flaws.

    (-Speaking of his athleticism, his athletic testing at the NBA combine confirmed what is obvious on tape: the guy is a certified athlete. Of the players listed at power forward, he had the highest max vertical [38 inches], the third best lane agility time, the second best shuttle run time and the fifth best three quarter sprint time. Of all the players in the combine Samanic's height or taller, no one had a higher max vertical -- and that's including pogo sticks like Jaxson Hayes and Nic Claxton.)

    -Defensively, Samanic just needs to work on his mental approach and his strength. On the ball, he's already solid. He seems to relish the opportunity to switch onto smaller players and fights for defensive boards. Where he struggles is when he's off the ball; he'll all too often fall asleep when on the weakside. And, as I previously stated, while he is unlikely to ever become a notable shot-blocker, adding strength should allow him to hold up better in the lane against rugged bigs and slashing smalls.

    -Let's imagine a world where not only Samanic pans out but Derrick White, Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker IV all reach close to their ceilings. What's exciting is Samanic is a perfect fit next to those three. You'd want a mobile power forward who could run, shoot, attack mismatches, spread the court and be able to stay on the floor defensively by holding up in pick-and-rolls and rebounding.

    -If you want to consider Jakob Poeltl part of the young core, the excitement continues. The fully formed versions of White, Murray, Walker, Samanic and Poeltl could play together. That's even a possible starting lineup. Samanic and Poeltl, specifically, are fits next to each other. Poeltl's ability to protect the rim would allow Samanic more freedom to stick to his strengths on that end. Poeltl being a good, instinctive passer would also help if Samanic never advances to being more than adequate for a PF.

    -How much time does Samanic do in Austin next season? I'm honestly not sure. Typically, players from Europe don't need as much developing -- but, again, Samanic isn't your prototypical European prospect. It's possible he could need the whole season in Austin. It wouldn't hurt him to work on his shot and correct all the issues that caused him to stutter in Europe in an environment with less pressure. But if he plays really well in summer league and continues on that level of play in training camp, he could conceivably play a bench role early in his rookie season. We'll have to wait and see.

    -Oh yeah, the Spurs picked a couple of other guys in the draft. I was pleased with Keldon Johnson at 29. It wasn't a flashy pick but after going the boom or bust route with Samanic at 19, it made sense to go the safe route with Johnson.

    -The more I watched him play before the draft, the more I became convinced Johnson is a small forward in the NBA. While he's only 6-foot-6 with shoes on, he has wide shoulders and frame that can add quite a bit more muscle. He's already a strong 216 pounds and, considering he's 19 years old and was somewhat of a late bloomer physically, I could imagine him pushing 230 before it's all said and done.

    (-After the Spurs picked Johnson, an interesting tidbit I heard from someone who scouted him: San Antonio factored in him having a "short neck" and considered him comparably to players an inch or two taller. Looking at the combine numbers, there might be something to that. Johnson's standing reach was 8-foot-8, which is oddly impressive for someone who is 6-foot-6 with shoes with a good-but-not-great 6-foot-9.25 wingspan. To compare, that's a better standing reach than 6-foot-9 Tobias Harris, 6-foot-8 Khris Middleton or 6-foot-8 Gordon Hayward. Interesting; short neck; would never have noticed looking at pictures; huh.)

    -I look at Johnson as a high floor, low ceiling player. He tries hard on defense, particularly in one-on-one matchups. He fights around screens well and he's good for his age in terms of help defense. Johnson rebounds better than expected given his height (6.9 boards per 36 minutes) and doesn't foul much (2.6 per 36 minutes). But he doesn't block shots or rack up steals ... at all. He's also a bit heavy-footed for a wing, so his individual defense potential has a cap to it.

    -His defensive peak is in the neighborhood of someone like Mario Elie. Elie didn't have quick feet but he compensated with a bulldog demeanor and unrelenting effort. Johnson could potentially do that; his motor as a freshman was impressive.

    -Offensively, Johnson sticks to smart shots. He'll take open threes when given the opportunity and he shot a very respectable 38.1% from deep. He drives hard to the rim and has a decent array of floaters and runners. He draws fouls at an acceptable clip and shot an okay 70.3% from the line.

    -Johnson is not a ball-handler or shot creator on offense. He's an average passer at best with only middling court vision. His release is a little slow, which resulted in him shooting only 6.2 threes per 100 possessions. (In today's game, that number needs to be closer to ten.)

    -All in all, he projects to be a complementary piece on offense. If he can speed up his release, he can become a three-point shooter who can attack closeouts with strong drives to the rim. Johnson is unlikely to be a bulk scorer but he has enough talent to play a supporting role on an elite offensive team.

    -If you want to hold out hope for Johnson having untapped offensive upside, your hope would lie with the fact that he played for a Kentucky team who had two players go in the lottery. There's a non-zero percent chance he surprises on the offensive end; remember that Devin Booker averaged only ten points per game at Kentucky as a freshman on a team that featured three other lottery picks. But most likely, Johnson will be someone who -- if his maturation process goes as planned -- makes teams pay for ignoring him on the offensive end, a la 2006 Michael Finley.

    -Like Samanic, Johnson is a really good fit next to the White, Murray and Walker potential core. The fact that he doesn't dribble well or pass particularly well isn't a big deal if he's playing next to two of those three players. Plus, his lack of size isn't as big of a deal on a team that has long, active guards like those three. I don't see a problem on defense with Johnson at small forward and any two of White, Murray and Walker at the guard positions.

    (-Speaking of him being a small forward, RC Buford claimed after the draft that Johnson was the team's top ranked small forward in the entire draft. At first, I thought it was a hyperbolic claim by Buford. But after thinking about it, it's not impossible. If RJ Barrett and Jarrett Culver are classified by the Spurs as shooting guards, that leaves a rather questionable crop of small forwards. Players like Cam Reddish, Romeo Langford and Nassir Little all really struggled as freshman and all had potential red flags in their draft profiles. It's not totally unbelievable to believe that the Spurs were low on those boom or bust small forwards and had a higher floor player like Johnson rated at the top of that pile.)

    -Even if he plays well in summer league, Johnson is most likely destined to a year in Austin. He's not especially raw but there are enough things for him to work on to justify keeping him in the G-League for a season. Get him plenty of touches, have him work on his shot, see if there are any hidden offensive abilities, bulk him up to defend small forwards and then reassess heading into the 2020-21 season.

    -Overall, Johnson at 29 is just a solid pick any way you slice it. He's not going to be a star but if you can get a strong role player late in the first round, that's a win.

    -Quinndary Weatherspoon at 49? Eh, not bad. He's a 6-foot-4.25, 207-pound combo guard with a 6-foot-9 wingspan. He had a good senior season at Mississippi State and played well in the draft camps and at the NBA combine. The Spurs worked him out twice, so there's obviously some level of attraction there.

    -He's closer to a shooting guard than a point guard, as he had more turnovers than assists last season. But he shot well enough (56.4% on twos, 39.6% on threes, 80.9% at the line) that it's conceivable for him to make it without developing many point guard skills. He competes on defense and is a downhill attacker on offense.

    -My guess is that the Spurs drafted Weatherspoon with an agreement that he will either sign a two-way contract or sign directly with Austin. It was a smidgen of a surprise he was drafted at all, even though he had a successful college career. For the Spurs to pick him at 49 tells me there's an understanding with his agent in place.

    -Will he ever make it in the NBA? Probably not. The overwhelming majority of second rounders don't and Weatherspoon doesn't look like anything more than your standard, run of the mill second round flier. The Spurs liked him enough to not trade or sell the pick ... but that's a low bar at that point in the draft.

    -We'll see what Weatherspoon does in summer league. I'm not expecting much at all but, then again, it's never wise to underestimate this front office's ability to draft.
    One of the best write ups of the year. Many thanks.

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    Nice thoughts. The Spurs definitely need a future consistent borderline All star in their youth core. They may have thought Samanic was the best bet with what was left for them at 19. Hopefully, he’s the right choice.

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    At least Billups stayed in basketball comparisons. I half expected him to go farther afield....

    "This guy reminds me of Michael Phelps."

    "He's another Bruce Jenner, when he wasn't a woman."

    "A natural Ron Jeremy, if I've ever seen one."

    "Kinda today's o Jackson."

    "Reminded me of a wombat."

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    That's when the Vegas Summer League starts. The Salt Lake Summer League starts on July 1st.

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    There's two different "summer leagues" this year.

    The Salt Lake City Summer League is from July 1st to 3rd. It's four teams playing six games. Teams are the Jazz, Spurs, Grizzlies and Cavaliers.

    The NBA Summer League is from July 5th to 15th in Vegas. All 30 teams will participate, also Team China and Team Croatia.
    There's actually three Summer Leagues. The Magic host one out in Orlando at their practice facility. Traditionally, however, it happens at the same time as the Salt Lake City league, but usually has more teams playing. The Vegas league is typically considered THE summer league since it features by far the most teams and doesn't have a competing event at the same time.

    The Spurs always play Vegas (to my recollection) and have gone to Salt Lake a number of years as well. This year they're doing both SLC and Vegas.

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    When does the summer league start?
    When multiple web sites that are easily accessible say they start... pretty easy to look up.

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    LMAO. Is it possible to get a move reference past you?


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    At least Billups stayed in basketball comparisons. I half expected him to go farther afield....

    "This guy reminds me of Michael Phelps."

    "He's another Bruce Jenner, when he wasn't a woman."

    "A natural Ron Jeremy, if I've ever seen one."

    "Kinda today's o Jackson."

    "Reminded me of a wombat."

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    The reason White did not play at the start of the season is because he was injured in preseason.

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    At least Billups stayed in basketball comparisons. I half expected him to go farther afield....

    "This guy reminds me of Michael Phelps."

    "He's another Bruce Jenner, when he wasn't a woman."

    "A natural Ron Jeremy, if I've ever seen one."

    "Kinda today's o Jackson."

    "Reminded me of a wombat."
    good chuckle in riga

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    Šamanić is trash and, like any of the players in Slovenian league, he has no business being near a NBA court. Then again he is young, and Danny Green was an even bigger trash, when he was playing for Olimpija. It's obvious the Spurs are valuing raw skills over actual (current) playing ability and are hoping to mold him, like they did with Kawhi and White more recently. He has the tools to be a good player, but he's not one currently. I would be shocked if he features in any significant fashion for the Spurs in the next season.

    As for his character, i wouldn't speculate, I didn't hear anything negative about him, but i'm just a basketball fan, not some insider. I assume the Spurs did their research - they have plenty of contacts in Slovenia, most notably Rasho who is Secretary-General of the Slovenian basketball federation.

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    Šamanić is trash and, like any of the players in Slovenian league, he has no business being near a NBA court. Then again he is young, and Danny Green was an even bigger trash, when he was playing for Olimpija. It's obvious the Spurs are valuing raw skills over actual (current) playing ability and are hoping to mold him, like they did with Kawhi and White more recently. He has the tools to be a good player, but he's not one currently. I would be shocked if he features in any significant fashion for the Spurs in the next season.

    As for his character, i wouldn't speculate, I didn't hear anything negative about him, but i'm just a basketball fan, not some insider. I assume the Spurs did their research - they have plenty of contacts in Slovenia, most notably Rasho who is Secretary-General of the Slovenian basketball federation.

    he was def a reach but pop and co are clearly looking at the long term here

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    Samanic has a complete offensive skillset by the looks. He can shoot, dribble, pass, post up, move his feet defensively & is an elite athlete for his size. The whole thing will be if he can put together. If he can, he'll be great, if he can't, he'll be gone.

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    When multiple web sites that are easily accessible say they start... pretty easy to look up.
    No , thinks for letting me know that.

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    the good thing is he already got stronger. Added about 15 pounds already
    Since the draft? Damn, for sure the Spurs should have taken Bol. Mexican food and Whataburger--I gained 5 pounds just typing them in.

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    Samanic officially weighed 227.2 at the combine.

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    One of the best write ups of the year. Many thanks.
    This!

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    Defense will be his calling card like with any other rookie under Pop. Play good D and you might get playing time. I expect him to be Austin bound though

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