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    but those places won't raise wages to overcome a shortage of people willing to do ty work for poverty wages, which is what $20K / year is.

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    but those places won't raise wages to overcome a shortage of people willing to ty work for poverty wages, which is what $20K / year is.
    They will and they have. Do you have a reading disability?

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    I wish the senate had the balls to flip back a $12 minimum wage and see if the House had the balls to vote it down.
    $12 would be good. Even as a dem I don't like $15 for small businesses but I do like it for bigger ones especially huge national chains

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    $12 would be good. Even as a dem I don't like $15 for small businesses but I do like it for bigger ones especially huge national chains
    $15 or $20 /hour would have to be done intelligently, of which of course ham-handed Congress is not capable.

    Percentage of minimum wage employees as well as regional CoL factors should be included, but they won't be.

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    They will and they have. Do you have a reading disability?
    if they have and will, why are so many NOT taking the poverty wage bait?

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    if they have and will, why are so many NOT taking the poverty wage bait?
    They don't take a $14 an hour job where they have to work because they don't really want a job.

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    They don't take a $14 an hour job where they have to work because they don't really want a job.
    I defer to your facts, since you obviously know so many of these lazy sum es, ALL of them are lazy sum es, right?

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    I defer to your facts, since you obviously know so many of these lazy sum es, ALL of them are lazy sum es, right?
    You would know.

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    if they have and will, why are so many NOT taking the poverty wage bait?
    They would rather stay on welfare dumbass

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    Math test:

    10,000,000 single mothers with 2.5 jobs each @ approximately minimum wage.

    Min wage gets raised to $12/hr and each of those women lose one of those jobs. Millions of jobs lost.

    What effect does this have on the unemployment rate?

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    Math test:

    10,000,000 single mothers with 2.5 jobs each @ approximately minimum wage.

    Min wage gets raised to $12/hr and each of those women lose one of those jobs. Millions of jobs lost.

    What effect does this have on the unemployment rate?
    AOC is the only one who has proven she does not know the answer to this one so not sure how you are using it to make Rs look bad lol

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    AOC is the only one who has proven she does not know the answer to this one so not sure how you are using it to make Rs look bad lol
    Buying into the "AOC is dumb" propaganda.

    She has a degree in economics, and you are gullible for buying into the propaganda without bothering to independently or sufficiently verify for yourself.

    I can't fix your lazy thinking for you, sorry.

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    Bull . The biggest abusers of illegal aliens from mexico are the local Mexican bosses. Construction crews, tree trimmers, landscapers, etc.
    White Republican business owners.

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    $12 would be good. Even as a dem I don't like $15 for small businesses but I do like it for bigger ones especially huge national chains
    Everybody having more money will simply mean more economic activity.


    A $15 federal minimum wage won’t cost Americans jobs, new study says
    https://www.vox.com/2019/7/2/2067882...increase-study

    More importantly, doubling the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2024 would also likely boost incomes for the poorest households in rural counties, according to a white paper released Tuesday by economists Anna Godoey and Michael Reich at the University of California Berkeley. They found no evidence that such a large wage hike would lead to significant job losses or fewer work opportunities — something big business groups often warn about.
    The apocalypse warned by conservatives never really quite materializes, especially when one starts examining the evidence.

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    ozens of Democratic-held cities and states have increased the minimum wage floor over the years, well above the current federal minimum of $7.25 an hour. Recent research suggests the worst-feared consequences of minimum wage hikes did not come to pass: Employment did not decrease in places where wages went up, and there was actually a residually positive effect on wages for other lower-income workers.

    There are now two things most mainstream economists agree on. First, that raising the minimum wage increases the average income of low-wage workers, lifting many out of poverty (depending on how big the raise is). Second, that raising the minimum wage likely causes some job losses.

    However, disagreement often revolves around how extreme the job cuts would be. Godoey and Reich’s research provides more evidence that the impact on jobs is insignificant.

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    Math test:

    10,000,000 single mothers with 2.5 jobs each @ approximately minimum wage.

    Min wage gets raised to $12/hr and each of those women lose one of those jobs. Millions of jobs lost.

    What effect does this have on the unemployment rate?
    AOC is the only one who has proven she does not know the answer to this one so not sure how you are using it to make Rs look bad lol
    Doesn't really answer my question.

    If the number of jobs falls, and is simply offset by people with more than one job not having to work more than one job... there is no effect on the unemployment rate.

    You should ask yourself though, why you were unable to answer an honest, fair question.

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    Doesn't really answer my question.

    If the number of jobs falls, and is simply offset by people with more than one job not having to work more than one job... there is no effect on the unemployment rate.

    You should ask yourself though, why you were unable to answer an honest, fair question.
    You should ask yourself an honest question.

    Who the is working for $7.25 an hour?

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    You should ask yourself an honest question.

    Who the is working for $7.25 an hour?
    He's also repeating the claim that more and more people are working multiple jobs which is at the very least disputed and possibly just flat out wrong:

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/4-....htm?view_full

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    You should ask yourself an honest question.

    Who the is working for $7.25 an hour?
    https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2017/home.htm

    Now, how does the minimum wage affect people who are earning slightly above or marginally above it? i.e. how much will raising the minimum wage lift other wage earners, as employers compete for labor?

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    This is such bull CC. At least in Jersey, the boss is always the white guy with the big truck that happens to speak English. I mean, I get it, he’s trying to make a living, nothing wrong about that.
    It's probably the same in the San Antonio area.

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    He's also repeating the claim that more and more people are working multiple jobs which is at the very least disputed and possibly just flat out wrong:

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/4-....htm?view_full
    I did not say "more and more". I pulled an arbitrary number out of my hat to make a point. But since you want to go there, let's use real numbers.


    5.3% of women work more than one job, per your link. Women tend to overwhelmingly be response for the care of children, so tuck that bit in your cap for later.

    So what is 5.3% times 74.6 million women?
    https://blog.dol.gov/2017/03/01/12-s...-working-women

    3,953,800 women work two jobs or more, supporting a likely equivalent number of children.

    If each of those women receive double what they are earning now, and each lose one of those jobs, what effect will it have on the unemployment rate?

    The economic data show that if people make more money some of them will withdraw from jobs or the laborforce, and do other things that benefit them in a way that they find more important, such as education, or child-rearing.

    Losing tons of marginal jobs doesn't really mean much to the overall economy if everybody is making more money.

    That is what the real data shows from the article I linked. The doom and gloom about raising minimum wages is a "just so" boogeyman story, with very scant evidence to support it.

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    He's also repeating the claim that more and more people are working multiple jobs which is at the very least disputed and possibly just flat out wrong:

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/4-....htm?view_full
    Idk about that. I heard people working multiple jobs is why the unemployment rate is low.

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    Idk about that. I heard people working multiple jobs is why the unemployment rate is low.
    Don't worry we got plans to help them peoples out..get that unemployment rate up to a healthy 15-20%. People won't have to work as much that way which is good. Can sit around talking how great it is that they get to live in a Socialist Utopia thanks to the guys in Twitter with the roses next to their names

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    You should ask yourself an honest question.

    Who the is working for $7.25 an hour?
    No but we got people that are underpaid who are working for $8.50-$10 hour. Just go to job postings on Craigslist and Indeed and you will see for yourself.

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    I don't want people to make more money. I want to see others keep working multiple jobs like slaves

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    https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2017/home.htm

    Now, how does the minimum wage affect people who are earning slightly above or marginally above it? i.e. how much will raising the minimum wage lift other wage earners, as employers compete for labor?
    .. why Fed min wage should be $20 or $25, adjusted for regional CoL and indexed to inflation.

    so EVERYBODY gets a big push in hourly wages, which have been suppressed for 45 years by the VRWC War on Employees.

    Also, change the threshold for people screwed out of overtime, by the Repugs, of course.
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