Derozan on the trading block??

[tesseractive]

He knows his flaws in the modern NBA, which is obviously outside shooting particularly the 3. If he didn’t fix his flaw, then PATFO has to explore while his value is high. I just don’t want for PATFO to stand pat because it’s “the right thing for Demar.” That’s when Spurs get screwed with Uncle Dennis, Paul Rich/Morris, Pau/Mills contracts. I know Spurs have long history of “doing what’s right.” But boy, for once I like them to be bold and selfish.

In a hypothetical DeRozan/Porter trade, the story is less about the Spurs giving up on him and more about a big market team betting on adding an All-Star to the mix. I don't think that looks bad for him at all.

[exstatic]

Yeah, for people who can't stand DDR to advocate for Wiggins, it's a weird motivation because I fail to see what Wiggins brings to the table other than a bad contract. I'd rather have DeRozan.

Advanced stats hate him. One of the oldest is PER. It's offensively oriented, so it even hides his horrible defense. League average is 15.0. Wiggins career mark is 14.5. BPM(either/both) hates him. VORP hates him.

[John B]

In a hypothetical DeRozan/Porter trade, the story is less about the Spurs giving up on him and more about a big market team betting on adding an All-Star to the mix. I don't think that looks bad for him at all.

Porter fits Spurs better, while Demar gives them the scoring they need. It’s win/win for both

[FkLA]

Can you name the (at least) ten guys on this list that DeRozan is better than?

Kawhi Leonard
Steph Curry
Giannis Antekutoumpo
Anthony Davis
Paul George
Damian Lillard
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Nikola Jokic
Klay Thompson
Kyrie Irving
Joel Embiid
Pascal Siakam
Jimmy Butler
Ben Simmons
Lamarcus Aldridge
Victor Oladipo
Bradley Beal
Kemba Walker
Luka Doncic
Blake Griffin
Mike Conley
CJ McCollum
Donovan Mitc

McCollum is the most overrated player in the league. He's not even a fringe all-star, more like a high end role player with an undeserved reputation of being a star. DeRozan is undoubtedly a better player, imo.

Simmons, Conley, Beal, Klay, and Oladipo are toss-ups. I don't think their ceilings as #1 guys is any higher than DeRozan's when he was in TOR. If Klay played like Game 6 Klay all the time he'd be elite but most of the time he doesn't. But I would take all of them except the PGs on the Spurs over DD due to them being much better fits. Doncic and Mitc , it's a toss-up whether they're better atm. They'll most likely get there eventually.

I do agree that DD isnt Top 15 though.

[gambit1990]

McCollum is the most overrated player in the league. He's not even a fringe all-star, more like a high end role player with an undeserved reputation of being a star. DeRozan is undoubtedly a better player, imo.

Simmons, Conley, Beal, Klay, and Oladipo are toss-ups. I don't think their ceilings as #1 guys is any higher than DeRozan's when he was in TOR. If Klay played like Game 6 Klay all the time he'd be elite but most of the time he doesn't. But I would take all of them except the PGs on the Spurs over DD due to them being much better fits. Doncic and Mitc , it's a toss-up whether they're better atm. They'll most likely get there eventually.

I do agree that DD isnt Top 15 though.

a toss up between klay and demar, wtf

also, luka now > ddr

[San Antonio Slayer]

also, luka now > ddr

because of his mom?

[R. DeMurre]

I'm not a DeRozan hater-- I think I see him with some pretty objective clarity. There's no way he's a top 15 player in the NBA. He's playing SF for the Spurs in the 3 & D era: he can't shoot threes, and his D is mediocre at best. Yes, he'll get you points with average efficiency, and he upped his assist & rebound numbers (one thing I admired very much about him last year), but to put him in even the top 30 just doesn't make sense, and especially come playoff time, his defense and lack of a three became major targets for opposing teams.

[duncan2150]

Imo he is a top30-40 player in the league and youd don't trade him just to get rid of him. Without him the spurs would have won something like 35 games, pepole here are really undervaluing him.

21 pts with 6 ass and 6 boards while shooting at 49% 80% ft is not what you have everywhere, ok he is bad at 3pt and so-so on D but he is not that bad.

If the Spurs are sure he will not be here after next year and got a good offer then ok but if not, just play this season with him.

[Noey7448]

Gordon can't play SF but he can guard SF.He checked Nephew as good as anyone in the playoffs.His versatility on defense is important.

Gordon+Okeke+1st

[FkLA]

DeRozan is easily Top 30. I've stated that I'm not a big fan of his, but saying he's not Top 30 a gross exaggeration. He's in the 20-25 range, imo.

[Prime BEEF]

because of his mom?

[Mr. Body]

It's clown season for the summer, huh?

[phxspurfan]

So much hate for DeRozan in one place he's better than yall make him out to be. This was his first year in The System. Chill and let's see if Pop can teach him some .




/ortradehimforAaronGordon

[R. DeMurre]

DeRozan is easily Top 30. I've stated that I'm not a big fan of his, but saying he's not Top 30 a gross exaggeration. He's in the 20-25 range, imo.

Going with advanced stats: He's 134th in RPM, 75th in WINS, 90th in ORPM, 312th in DRPM. Sorry, there's just no way he's a top 30 player.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/4

[phxspurfan]

Explain

Picks usually don't pan out, they're just lottery tickets. So most likely you'll have just traded DeRozan for someone far inferior.

[phxspurfan]

Going with advanced stats: He's 134th in RPM, 75th in WINS, 90th in ORPM, 312th in DRPM. Sorry, there's just no way he's a top 30 player.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/4

Your advanced stats....Toronto was a powerhouse in the East for like 3-4 years with DeMar as the #1 (and as an MVP candidate). His sidekick was ing Kyle Lowry dude. If that isn't performing I don't know what is.

[phxspurfan]

Gordon+Okeke+1st

Now we're talking

[Twisted_Dawg]

So much hate for DeRozan in one place he's better than yall make him out to be. This was his first year in The System. Chill and let's see if Pop can teach him some .




/ortradehimforAaronGordon

I think the hate DeRozan gets is from misdirected anger from the initial KL/Uncle Dennis bull , followed by how little Pop and RC got for KL in that trade. Like it or not, DeRozan will forever be tied to that trade, compounded by any future successes of KL.

[cjw]

If true, it means 2 things. One they couldn't come to a agreement on a team friendly deal with DDR, which is fine by me since we shouldn't be overpaying for a flawed player. Secondly, I think they are expecting great things from our new big 3 of Murray, White and Walker next season and DDR's game doesn't mesh well with that trio.

Could also swing DDR to a team in a sign and trade after the session and recoup some assets. Or just enjoy the cap space.

[mo7888]

Picks usually don't pan out, they're just lottery tickets. So most likely you'll have just traded DeRozan for someone far inferior.

Picks are currency... you can trade them for other valuable things later. That's like saying money isn't valuable because you can't eat paper... you trade that paper for product.... it's the same with picks..

[SPURt]

Gordon Hayward is gonna end up being the trade and Spurstalk will love it lol

[R. DeMurre]

Your advanced stats....Toronto was a powerhouse in the East for like 3-4 years with DeMar as the #1 (and as an MVP candidate). His sidekick was ing Kyle Lowry dude. If that isn't performing I don't know what is.

They lost in playoff sweeps 3 out of his last 4 years... that's not a powerhouse. That's a pretty good team with obvious glaring flaws.

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

Regular season top 30, playoffs top 100

[Prime BEEF]

Gordon+Okeke+1st

This would be a steal for DeRozan. Not sure Orlando would add in the pick though. Would still do this trade without the pick

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

Whatever it takes spurs, get this done