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    People like Zack Exley and Saikat Chakrabarti are running slates of candidates to push the agenda. Americans are scary uninformed one who is holding the strings for people like AOC and Ilhan.
    I haven't looked into those names but if those people are against Zionism then maybe they'll do a better job than Sheldon Adelson who gives billions of $$$ to Trump.

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    Beats pushing mass murder.

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    I'd be down for UBI if we got rid of all social programs that way everyone gets income and not just the rich or poor.
    You'd want $1k a month to Zuckerberg, Gates and Bezos? Don't think that'd go down well.

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    You'd want $1k a month to Zuckerberg, Gates and Bezos? Don't think that'd go down well.
    God forbid a greedy billionaire should partake of the public weal. (blued)

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    You'd want $1k a month to Zuckerberg, Gates and Bezos? Don't think that'd go down well.
    That ain't for them. If anything, they'd still be pissed cuz they only want for themselves. Giving it to some and not others is what has us at each other's throats today. Plus, automation is taking over and that's a GOOD thing. I get to spend more time with my family and stay at the gym longer.

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    You people are hung up on the word "socialism" - I just copy and pasted the le on the video - my apologies. Listen to the CONTENT of the video.
    There's no "truth" there. It's the same old tired "bootstrap" myth that if you just work hard enough, the riches will flow. Conservative lips get tighter than a drum when the clear "truth" is brought up that this country had much more balanced wealth distribution and a lower poverty level when the richest Americans were taxed at a 70 percent marginal rate. This is the "great" time period Trump appeals to and his base supposedly wants to return to.

    Back to debunking the bootstrap myth. Truth: Most people never rise above the economic bracket into which they were born. "The study's takeaway, according to Chetty and Hendren, is the environment one is raised in determines his or her economic mobility."

    https://www.newsweek.com/why-rich-st...ay-poor-363611

    Why does this happen? It's easy enough to infer kids born into wealthier families have much more stable rearing environments (which improves cognitive development, even at the pre-natal level) and money for things like tutors, private schools, and brand name colleges. Furthermore, wealthy families have connections that allow for their children to get a leg up on the compe ion through all manners of nepotism and cronyism. The event that should've exploded the ty bootstrap myth was that college admissions scandal.

    More "truth." To afford the national average monthly rent/mortgage cost, you need to make 22.00 an hour. The federally mandated minimum wage is 7.25 hr. Even the state with the highest minimum wage (where cost of living is higher) is only about 14 an hour. The conserva response to this is that minimum wage jobs are there for teenagers who want some pocket money or job experience and not intended to be a career. This is horse . We're a service economy now, so more and more people have no choice but to rely on minimum wage restaurant and cashier jobs as their means of income (in the "great America," the job market was dominated by relatively high paying factory work that you could get fresh out of high school). Combine this truth with truth number 1, and you can see how immensely difficult upward mobility is.

    The only people who trumpet the bootstrap myth are those that were fortunate enough to buck the odds, and I find it a highly arrogant position to say, "Well, if I could do it, so can you. Just work harder!" There's plenty of janitors and fast food workers working plenty hard, but they won't find the same opportunity path as the bootstrapper who speaks in Horatio Alger clichés. Every person's situation is different.

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    There's no "truth" there. It's the same old tired "bootstrap" myth that if you just work hard enough, the riches will flow. Conservative lips get tighter than a drum when the clear "truth" is brought up that this country had much more balanced wealth distribution and a lower poverty level when the richest Americans were taxed at a 70 percent marginal rate. This is the "great" time period Trump appeals to and his base supposedly wants to return to.

    Back to debunking the bootstrap myth. Truth: Most people never rise above the economic bracket into which they were born. "The study's takeaway, according to Chetty and Hendren, is the environment one is raised in determines his or her economic mobility."

    https://www.newsweek.com/why-rich-st...ay-poor-363611

    Why does this happen? It's easy enough to infer kids born into wealthier families have much more stable rearing environments (which improves cognitive development, even at the pre-natal level) and money for things like tutors, private schools, and brand name colleges. Furthermore, wealthy families have connections that allow for their children to get a leg up on the compe ion through all manners of nepotism and cronyism. The event that should've exploded the ty bootstrap myth was that college admissions scandal.

    More "truth." To afford the national average monthly rent/mortgage cost, you need to make 22.00 an hour. The federally mandated minimum wage is 7.25 hr. Even the state with the highest minimum wage (where cost of living is higher) is only about 14 an hour. The conserva response to this is that minimum wage jobs are there for teenagers who want some pocket money or job experience and not intended to be a career. This is horse . We're a service economy now, so more and more people have no choice but to rely on minimum wage restaurant and cashier jobs as their means of income (in the "great America," the job market was dominated by relatively high paying factory work that you could get fresh out of high school). Combine this truth with truth number 1, and you can see how immensely difficult upward mobility is.

    The only people who trumpet the bootstrap myth are those that were fortunate enough to buck the odds, and I find it a highly arrogant position to say, "Well, if I could do it, so can you. Just work harder!" There's plenty of janitors and fast food workers working plenty hard, but they won't find the same opportunity path as the bootstrapper who speaks in Horatio Alger clichés. Every person's situation is different.
    Very good man. There's also studies that living a robotic stressful job working 12 hours a day to barely pay the bills lowers your IQ. It's bad for your health.
    https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs...lowers-your-iq

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    This is the type of garbage they spew on Fox News. , no wonder their viewers are scared of socialism and worship capitalism.


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    This is the type of garbage they spew on Fox News. , no wonder their viewers are scared of socialism and worship capitalism.

    . The guy who never wants to retire highlights the "spiritual," if you will, sickness in this country. Unless he's making money from his pursuits, he sees no value in their worth or utility.

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    That ain't for them. If anything, they'd still be pissed cuz they only want for themselves. Giving it to some and not others is what has us at each other's throats today. Plus, automation is taking over and that's a GOOD thing. I get to spend more time with my family and stay at the gym longer.
    I meant that giving anything to the rich (the optics of it) would not go down well with the entire electorate.

    I disagree with the bolded. TAKING IT FROM SOME and giving it to others is the problem - and one of the points of the video. It's got to come from somewhere (taxpayers) - it's NOT from the government. Automation is a good thing as long as it's not YOUR job that's being automated away.

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    I meant that giving anything to the rich (the optics of it) would not go down well with the entire electorate.

    I disagree with the bolded. TAKING IT FROM SOME and giving it to others is the problem[/B] - and one of the points of the video. It's got to come from somewhere (taxpayers) - it's NOT from the government. Automation is a good thing as long as it's not YOUR job that's being automated away.
    Why is that a problem? Are you so naïve to believe Jeff Bezos just worked harder and smarter than everyone else? Do you really think he's worked 800,000 times harder and smarter than someone whose net worth is 100k? Do you think it's fair that his taxation should be the same as someone who makes 100K? Do you actually think a tremendous amount of luck doesn't go into creating someone like Bezos or Zuckerberg?

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    I meant that giving anything to the rich (the optics of it) would not go down well with the entire electorate.

    I disagree with the bolded. TAKING IT FROM SOME and giving it to others is the problem - and one of the points of the video. It's got to come from somewhere (taxpayers) - it's NOT from the government. Automation is a good thing as long as it's not YOUR job that's being automated away.
    The solution to automation would be to reduce work hours and SHARE the profits amongst the workers. You think a greedy capitalist is going to do this? No. He's gonna fire people and keep the profits for himself.

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    The solution to automation would be to reduce work hours and SHARE the profits amongst the workers. You think a greedy capitalist is going to do this? No. He's gonna fire people and keep the profits for himself.
    Her whole shtick in this debate is try and label people who advocate for higher tax rates on the rich as hypocrites if they're aren't willing to also see raised taxes. Her logic is bad is because a 70,000 per year income isn't the in' same thing as a 1,000,000 per year income. A million per year earner can take the brunt of higher taxation without suffering any severe living standard decreases compared to the 70k per year earner. Taxing the former at say 50 percent still gives that person a very healthy 500K per year income. Taxing a 70k earner at 50 percent puts them close to the poverty line.

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    Bernie/Tulsi can defeat Trump. I'll throw Yang in there. Should Bernie get the nominee, all the Democrat voters (the working class or rust belt) will vote for Bernie. But the elite Democrats (corporatists) will probably stay or home vote for Donald Trump.
    Why are you so sure that Bernie would beat Trump in the rust belt?

    The latest rust belt poll I could find:

    Ohio Democratic Presidential Primary Quinnipiac Biden 31, Sanders 14, Harris 14, Warren 13, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 1, Yang 1, Booker 1, Gabbard 1, Castro 1, Klobuchar 1, Steyer 1, Ryan 1 Biden +17
    Ohio: Trump vs. Biden Quinnipiac Biden 50, Trump 42 Biden +8
    Ohio: Trump vs. Warren Quinnipiac Trump 46, Warren 45 Trump +1
    Ohio: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Trump 46, Sanders 45 Trump +1
    Ohio: Trump vs. Harris Quinnipiac Trump 44, Harris 44 Tie

    And it doesn't even seem like Bernie could win the Dem nomination in Ohio.

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    Her whole shtick in this debate is try and label people who advocate for higher tax rates on the rich as hypocrites if they're aren't willing to also see raised taxes. Her logic is bad is because a 70,000 per year income isn't the in' same thing as a 1,000,000 per year income. A million per year earner can take the brunt of higher taxation without suffering any severe living standard decreases compared to the 70k per year earner. Taxing the former at say 50 percent still gives that person a very healthy 500K per year income. Taxing a 70k earner at 50 percent puts them close to the poverty line.
    “Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.” ― George Carlin


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    “Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money.” ― George Carlin

    . Carlin destroyed their ty logic there.

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    Why are you so sure that Bernie would beat Trump in the rust belt?

    The latest rust belt poll I could find:

    Ohio Democratic Presidential Primary Quinnipiac Biden 31, Sanders 14, Harris 14, Warren 13, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 1, Yang 1, Booker 1, Gabbard 1, Castro 1, Klobuchar 1, Steyer 1, Ryan 1 Biden +17
    Ohio: Trump vs. Biden Quinnipiac Biden 50, Trump 42 Biden +8
    Ohio: Trump vs. Warren Quinnipiac Trump 46, Warren 45 Trump +1
    Ohio: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Trump 46, Sanders 45 Trump +1
    Ohio: Trump vs. Harris Quinnipiac Trump 44, Harris 44 Tie

    And it doesn't even seem like Bernie could win the Dem nomination in Ohio.
    Ohio: Trump vs. Buttigieg Quinnipiac Trump 44, Buttigieg 44 Tie
    Ohio: Trump vs. Booker Quinnipiac Trump 44, Booker 43 Trump +1
    Because that's how Trump beat Hillary. Trump is a fake populist. Bernie is the real deal.

    Who gave those poll numbers? CNN? MSNBC? Their skewed polls always favor their centrist candidates.

    But seriously I'd love to see Bernie and Trump in a debate. Right-wing populism vs left-wing populusm. The only thing Trump can attack Bernie on is "VENEZUELA" or "CUBA." Or the other favorite one for conservatives "you're a millionaire Bernie."

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    Some of you think that it'll only hit the "rich" people. With all these grandiose plans, free this/free that, GND, etc - sooner or later, the "rich" will become YOU and then all these ideas (at that time - reality [when it's too late]) won't seem so great after all.

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    Because that's how Trump beat Hillary. Trump is a fake populist. Bernie is the real deal.

    Who gave those poll numbers? CNN? MSNBC? Their skewed polls always favor their centrist candidates.

    But seriously I'd love to see Bernie and Trump in a debate. Right-wing populism vs left-wing populusm. The only thing Trump can attack Bernie on is "VENEZUELA" or "CUBA." Or the other favorite one for conservatives "you're a millionaire Bernie."
    Thursday, July 25 Quinnipiac poll:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

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    Oh well polls had Hillary defeating Trump. We all know how that turned out . Time will tell. The only way I don't see Bernie winning is if the delegates or DNC screw Bernie again. My biggest fear is Elizabeth Warren. Her talk is good but her track record is all over the place.

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    I watched the first 2 minutes, and already can tell there's an education problem there, which is not surprising considering the OP.

    "This country was founded in capitalism" is the starting premise, which is, actually, not true. Anybody that reads the Cons ution at least once can tell the economic system was not set up by it, and there's no actual mention of capitalism in it. Not to mention Article I, Section 8, Clause 7, the "Postal Clause" setting up what can only be described as a socialist postal service. You have to reel to the 5th Amendment to come up with protections for property, which probably is the closest to capitalism, and even then, it allows confiscation by the state provided there's just compensation.

    Not to mention the much broader discussion that socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive options (unlike, say, capitalism and communism).

    Excellent books on the topic:

    Comparative Economics in a Transforming World Economy

    Comparative Economic Systems

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    Oh well polls had Hillary defeating Trump. We all know how that turned out . Time will tell. The only way I don't see Bernie winning is if the delegates or DNC screw Bernie again. My biggest fear is Elizabeth Warren. Her talk is good but her track record is all over the place.
    They're sharing the same type voter, and she's gonna split the vote resulting in Biden winning the nomination.

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    I watched the first 2 minutes, and already can tell there's an education problem there, which is not surprising considering the OP.

    "This country was founded in capitalism" is the starting premise, which is, actually, not true. Anybody that reads the Cons ution at least once can tell the economic system was not set up by it, and there's no actual mention of capitalism in it. Not to mention Article I, Section 8, Clause 7, the "Postal Clause" setting up what can only be described as a socialist postal service. You have to reel to the 5th Amendment to come up with protections for property, which probably is the closest to capitalism, and even then, it allows confiscation by the state provided there's just compensation.

    Not to mention the much broader discussion that socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive options (unlike, say, capitalism and communism).

    Excellent books on the topic:

    Comparative Economics in a Transforming World Economy

    Comparative Economic Systems

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    I'm asking you to put it in a nuts and explain in your own words.

    Are you incapable of that, or are you just refusing to do so?
    rmt

    Asking you to explain what you're pushing forward as the truth is a legit ask.

    What's the truth of the vid you posted, as you see it?

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