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No, I'm saying Florida is seeing an increase in case numbers. Well over 2000 just yesterday.
What, you don't see the June 17th data hovering just above that slight line marked 30 - the same height as it was on April 7th? And that most of that time in between those two dates is higher than it is on June 17th?
No, I'm saying Florida is seeing an increase in case numbers. Well over 2000 just yesterday.
Case numbers just mean more testing which is widely accessible now - I've described how easy and quick it is now (in Miami/Broward) in a post recently. Of course, if there's more testing, there'll be more cases - doesn't necessarily translate to increase in hospitalization rate or death rate. And expect more of cases/hospitalizations/deaths as the state opens up.
You know the whole point of the shutdown was to not overwhelm the hospital system and I don't think it's anywhere near that.
I mean Florida is top 10 in the nation in number of covid deaths. Adjusted per capita (against states like California), they're even higher, so I don't know where this notion of very low death rate comes from...
Florida has 1 more death per capita than California. Florida has the 2nd highest percentage (20.5%) of population 65 or older. California, otoh, has the 45th lowest percentage (14.3%) of population 65 and older.
Death rates per capita as of 6/17:
California 13
Florida 14
Rhode Island 82
Massachusetts 111
Connecticut 118
New Jersey 144
New York 159
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/
States Ranked by Percent of Population Age 65 or Older, 2018
Rank State Total Resident Population (thousands) Population Ages 65+ (thousands) Population Ages 65+ (percent)
1 Maine 1,338 276 20.6
2 Florida 21,299 4,358 20.5
3 West Virginia 1,806 360 19.9
4 Vermont 626 121 19.4
5 Delaware 967 181 18.7
6 Montana 1,062 199 18.7
7 Hawaii 1,420 261 18.4
8 Pennsylvania 12,807 2,336 18.2
9 New Hampshire 1,356 246 18.1
10 South Carolina 5,084 900 17.7
11 Oregon 4,191 739 17.6
12 Arizona 7,172 1,258 17.5
12 New Mexico 2,095 366 17.5
14 Connecticut 3,573 615 17.2
14 Michigan 9,996 1,717 17.2
14 Rhode Island 1,057 182 17.2
17 Iowa 3,156 540 17.1
17 Ohio 11,689 1,995 17.1
19 Arkansas 3,014 512 17.0
19 Wisconsin 5,814 985 17.0
21 Alabama 4,888 827 16.9
21 Missouri 6,126 1,034 16.9
23 South Dakota 882 147 16.6
24 Massachusetts 6,902 1,139 16.5
24 Wyoming 578 95 16.5
26 Kentucky 4,468 731 16.4
26 New York 19,542 3,214 16.4
26 Tennessee 6,770 1,110 16.4
29 North Carolina 10,384 1,689 16.3
30 New Jersey 8,909 1,439 16.1
31 Idaho 1,754 278 15.9
31 Kansas 2,912 462 15.9
31 Minnesota 5,611 890 15.9
31 Mississippi 2,987 474 15.9
35 Indiana 6,692 1,055 15.8
36 Nebraska 1,929 304 15.7
36 Nevada 3,034 476 15.7
36 Oklahoma 3,943 620 15.7
39 Illinois 12,741 1,993 15.6
40 Louisiana 4,660 718 15.4
40 Maryland 6,043 931 15.4
40 Virginia 8,518 1,315 15.4
40 Washington 7,536 1,164 15.4
44 North Dakota 760 117 15.3
45 California 39,557 5,669 14.3
46 Colorado 5,696 808 14.2
47 Georgia 10,519 1,460 13.9
48 Texas 28,702 3,602 12.6
49 Alaska 737 87 11.8
50 Utah 3,161 350 11.1
https://www.prb.org/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/
Last edited by rmt; 06-17-2020 at 03:50 PM.
And 3rd in total population - c'mon, don't be disingenuous - every single statement is true but misleading together - you really don't know where this NOTION comes from? - see the stats in my post above.
Case numbers have to be looked at in conjunction with overall positive rate. More testing will find more positives, but it is ultimately the rate that is important.
If your positive rate is going up, then the infection is indeed spreading.
The cases going up which is lining up with when they decided to open up is no coincidence. rtm has full blinders on.
Would hate to see her catch it out of hubris. Being in her 60s and all.
Takes a few weeks to manifest itself. It wont' take much to swamp ICU capacity, and don't confuse "beds" with "available beds" and "useful beds". NICU beds, or psych beds are useless when and adult needs oxygen and a respirator, and are often lumped into an aggregate "hospital bed" count.
NY managed to head off having their system overwhelmed and that barely, with everbody sheltering as much as possible.
What happens when idiots start slobbering on beer glasses in crowded bars and restaurants because ed assholes push "it's not that dangerous" propaganda into the conservative echo chamber, and the critical thinking challenged morons that inhabit that take it to heart will be a predictable disaster.
At this point... I really have no pity. None.
If someone think isn't dangerous... and dies from it because they didn't take any precautions, and encouraged others to do the same... Good riddance, we are better off collectively without that person voting for dumb policies based on the conservative echo chamber that produced their addled opinion for them.
Reck, I thank you for you kind thoughts, and isn't that what it's all about. Haven't quite reached my 60s yet although we're gonna finally be empty nesters this fall and I'm missing my baby already :-)
So your solution is to cherry pick a population range and use that, instead of taking the total sample? Yeah, that's not disingenuous at all... Not only people over 65 die from covid.
Older adults are at higher risk
8 out of 10 deaths reported in the U.S. have been in adults 65 years old and older.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...er-adults.html
Last edited by rmt; 06-18-2020 at 06:18 PM.
Of course they're a higher risk, that doesn't mean those younger than 65 are at zero risk though.
Your claim wasn't that florida did a good job protecting those over 65, but it had an overall "very low" death rate. If they're top 10 in the nation, and there's 50 states, then that's high to very high.
Not only this, but you dont go to Florida to stay inside with other people all day.
Other states have a very large portion on the population inside with other people for much longer periods.
Especially those NOT in old age care.
Also the international travel in the early stages from places that abroad that already experienced outbreaks was not close to California or NY.
Bernie supporters losing their (Again) because Warren endorsed Hickenlooper.
And you wonder why they lost. Very narrowed minded people. Hickenlooper is beating Gardner by almost 20 points. How much is the other guy beating him by? I'd like to know.
Whether you like Bernie or not, I don't think Biden fans should be pointing fingers at anybody, tbh
Typical passive aggressive and lazy response.
Non Bernie supporters does not equate Biden supporters by default. The fact that this has nothing to do with Biden in the first place makes your pointed attack even less impressive.
This is about Warren. So I guess I was talking in her and her supporters defense so I guess Warren supporters are heels Biden supporters by nature.
Nothing passive aggressive about my response, tbh... I'm calling out Biden fans for pointing fingers at anybody, not sure how more clear or direct I need to be.Typical passive aggressive and lazy response.
Non Bernie supporters does not equate Biden supporters by default. The fact that this has nothing to do with Biden in the first place makes your pointed attack even less impressive.
This is about Warren. So I guess I was talking in her and her supporters defense so I guess Warren supporters are heels Biden supporters by nature.
Maybe some people actually stand for what they believe in. Might sound weird to old Joe fans, but they shouldn't be upset about it.
So basically you're mad about something that has nothing to do with Biden (Or me for that matter) and redirecting your anger at said group because you're bored?
You didn't even adressed the point of my post and instead opted to whine about something irrelevant to the topic.
I'm not mad at anything. You're the one that said Bernie bros are losing their for standing for what they firmly believe in, and that makes them narrow minded.
I was pointing out that's a bad read coming from Biden supporters, since Biden stands for nothing.
But you dont even know what they're saying (Admittedly didn't post it myself) and you immediately assume one thing.
No, they're not just standing for what they firmly believe in. They're insulting, labeling her and just flat out lying about her character and what she believes in.
Bernie is not the only proggressive on this earth. Just saying. I'm not going to get into a heated argument over this.
But the issue isn't what they said or didn't, is it? You said they're angry because they're not supporting the party's favored candidate. Should they just roll over and say yes to whatever the party wants? That sounds very Biden'esque...
I don’t disagree that this is a stupid criticism of Warren, but what Bernie supporters beyond the fringe element on Twitter are actually losing their ?
Saying “Bernie supporters losing their because Warren endorses Hickenlooper” is the same thing Republicans do when they say “Liberals want to destroy the police and loot your business!”
This is what establishment Democrats regularly do - point to the most extreme and stupid Bernie supports to cast Bernie Sanders’ supporters as unreasonable extremists even though most Bernie supporters really just want America to adopt the same programs that are commonplace across the rest of the industrialized world.
Republican strategists are starting to "panic" and fear a "historic wipeout" in November: report
Republican insiders fear that November could be another Democratic wave election
they also fear that Democrats will achieve a majority in the U.S. Senate and increase the majority they presently hold in the U.S. House of Representatives.
"Trump has trailed former Vice President Joe Biden by almost 10 points in recent national polling. And Republicans privately admit things look just as bad at the local level."
"The environment really sucks for us right now.
We've got a worldwide pandemic,
the economy is slipping — and
now, we have a race war tacked on.
[If] the election were held today, we'd be talking about a wipeout.
We'd be in landslide territory."
https://www.salon.com/2020/06/21/rep...eport_partner/
I have no doubt that the corporatist, anti-progressive, BigDonor Dems under Pelosi and Schumer will do very little to undo the Repug destruction
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