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    I never said they wouldn't contribute a cent, philo.
    but they will be the primary contributors according to the plans that have been put out. it completely contradicts your claim no matter how vague you made it

    Are you willing to die so that others can have ty health care?
    nope. good thing that's not on the table. thats more or less akin to our current system where some people cant afford care and die, so that others can afford the expensive ty care we currently have

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    American longevity is below other industrial countries

    American longevity is at least equal to the avg of other industrial for the class of American people who make it to age 65 for Medicare insurance.

    iow, American health care "for profit" is manslaughter, as is Repugs not expanding Medicaid under ACA.

    In America, there is NOTHING more valuable, nothing has priority over profit

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    but they will be the primary contributors according to the plans that have been put out. it completely contradicts your claim no matter how vague you made it
    They'll pay and get their tax breaks from it; but it's the workers who always make the real payments on it, Lite.

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    nope. good thing that's not on the table. thats more or less akin to our current system where some people cant afford care and die, so that others can afford the expensive ty care we currently have
    You think that your current health plan could kill you? Tell us about it.

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    nope. good thing that's not on the table. thats more or less akin to our current system where some people cant afford care and die, so that others can afford the expensive ty care we currently have

    You think that your current health plan could kill you? Tell us about it.
    We ration health care by ability to pay. That is estimated to kill tens of thousands per year.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1955366/
    Delayed Access to Health Care and Mortality

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/
    Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults

    etc.

    Plenty of anedotal stories about what the lack of medical care can do, in addition to the wider data-driven studies in peer reviewed journals.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...aureen-oreilly

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    We ration health care by ability to pay. That is estimated to kill tens of thousands per year.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1955366/
    Delayed Access to Health Care and Mortality

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775760/
    Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults

    etc.

    Plenty of anedotal stories about what the lack of medical care can do, in addition to the wider data-driven studies in peer reviewed journals.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...aureen-oreilly
    What? There are realities based on who is paying what?

    Guess what, Random Cuck? Those realities won't be going away just because you want government to steal earnings.

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    You think that your current health plan could kill you? Tell us about it.
    nope. your reading comprehension is poor.

    people who dont have health care because they cant afford it or get it through work are the ones dying because they're not getting the care/treatment they need. that is a byproduct of our current system.

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    They'll pay and get their tax breaks from it; but it's the workers who always make the real payments on it, Lite.
    what do you mean pay and get tax breaks? the funding comes from their taxes ... you dont get tax breaks for paying taxes

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    What? There are realities based on who is paying what?

    Guess what, Random Cuck? Those realities won't be going away just because you want government to steal earnings.
    smh.

    I tried to address your point. I get "cuckity cuck cuck" tourettes.

    Your problem here is that, yes, by paying for health care for these people, that will prevent deaths. This is not difficult.

    Now, go ahead and say cuck a few more times. Please.

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    nope. your reading comprehension is poor.

    people who dont have health care because they cant afford it or get it through work are the ones dying because they're not getting the care/treatment they need. that is a byproduct of our current system.
    It's a byproduct of tying healthcare to employment. Persons with adequate savings should be able to afford healthcare at all times.

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    what do you mean pay and get tax breaks? the funding comes from their taxes ... you dont get tax breaks for paying taxes
    There's always tax breaks available for these corps, Lite. Get with it.

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    smh.

    I tried to address your point. I get "cuckity cuck cuck" tourettes.

    Your problem here is that, yes, by paying for health care for these people, that will prevent deaths. This is not difficult.

    Now, go ahead and say cuck a few more times. Please.
    If it's medicare for all, why are they saying it has to be tied to employment? No Democrat scam you won't support, random cuck.

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    Now, go ahead and say cuck a few more times. Please.
    Dance little puppet. Say it again.

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    It's a byproduct of tying healthcare to employment. Persons with adequate savings should be able to afford healthcare at all times.
    People without adequate savings... well, they can just die. Ah libertarianism in action.

    Money>people

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    If it's medicare for all, why are they saying it has to be tied to employment? No Democrat scam you won't support,
    I am all for anything that increases access to health care. Democrat ideas are pretty much the only workable ideas available. Feel free to put up a Republican idea.

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    People without adequate savings... well, they can just die. Ah libertarianism in action.

    Money>people
    Aw, RandomCuck. We're you not paying attention to the ant and the grasshopper?

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    I am all for anything that increases access to health care. Democrat ideas are pretty much the only workable ideas available. Feel free to put up a Republican idea.
    It increases access to care. Good thinking, stupid ing CuckGuy.

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    It increases access to care. Good thinking, stupid ing CuckGuy.
    Sooo which is better, no health care, or " care".

    Americans are driving to Canada, Mexico, and flying to places like Cambodia now to be able to afford care, RIGHT NOW.

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    Aw, RandomCuck. We're you not paying attention to the ant and the grasshopper?
    Public policy by ancient parable.

    Sorry, I'll pass. We can do better these days.

    Either you can present data, or you can't. If you can't... feel free to stick to magic stories.

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    Now, go ahead and say cuck a few more times. Please.
    Dance little puppet. Say it again.


    , you really can't help yourself at this point. Keep saying it.

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    Public policy by ancient parable.

    Sorry, I'll pass. We can do better these days.

    Either you can present data, or you can't. If you can't... feel free to stick to magic stories.
    In your cuck parable the ants work and give up their sh** as the grasshoppers hop and and then take up your spoils.

    "better"


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    Sooo which is better, no health care, or " care".

    Americans are driving to Canada, Mexico, and flying to places like Cambodia now to be able to afford care, RIGHT NOW.
    Even after Obamacare, huh?

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    Public policy by ancient parable.

    Sorry, I'll pass. We can do better these days.

    Either you can present data, or you can't. If you can't... feel free to stick to magic stories.

    In your cuck parable the ants work and give up their sh** as the grasshoppers hop and and then take up your spoils.

    "better"

    That doesn't look like data.

    So... magic stories are your basis for government. okaaaay. smh

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    Now, go ahead and say cuck a few more times. Please.
    Dance little puppet. Say it again.


    , you really can't help yourself at this point. Keep saying it.

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    Sooo which is better, no health care, or " care".

    Americans are driving to Canada, Mexico, and flying to places like Cambodia now to be able to afford care, RIGHT NOW.
    Even after Obamacare, huh?
    So, you don't really have an answer. First solid critical thinking question and you fold.

    Let me answer: " care" is better than "no care". That is what this study shows:

    New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

    Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts

    Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by the American Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Ins ute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

    The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...alth-coverage/

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