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    Trump waived executive privilege when he called Bolton a liar

    If the Senate decides to summon the former national security adviser,

    the president won’t have much recourse left.







    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/27/trump-waived-executive-privilege-when-he-called-bolton-liar/



    sure he does-

    trump could testify under oath and show the country Bolton is a liar!


    unless....

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    He immediately released the transcript.
    Why do you idiots keep saying this? Are you lying or are you just that clueless?

    By my count, you've parroted the "transcript" lie and the "Schiff asked for Trump nudes" lie in the past day. Are you getting your news from Devin Nunes' podcast?

    Again, reflect on yourself and your sources.

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    The book is on sale on Amazon today.

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    Why do you idiots keep saying this? Are you lying or are you just that clueless?

    By my count, you've parroted the "transcript" lie and the "Schiff asked for Trump nudes" lie in the past day. Are you getting your news from Devin Nunes' podcast?

    Again, reflect on yourself and your sources.
    DarrinS is smart enough to know he's spreading a lie.

    Paraphrase =/= transcript

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    Trash's transcript, as indicting as it is, is about as truthful as Barr's 4-pager of Mueller

    That's why the full transcript is deeply secreted away.

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    Why do you idiots keep saying this? Are you lying or are you just that clueless?

    By my count, you've parroted the "transcript" lie and the "Schiff asked for Trump nudes" lie in the past day. Are you getting your news from Devin Nunes' podcast?

    Again, reflect on yourself and your sources.
    The most ironic and funny thing is that Darrin himself hasn't read the memo that he so badly wants people to believe it's a transcript. Not much going on in that brain.

    Go ahead, ask him if he read the 5 page memo.

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    Rick Santorum gives away the GOP’s game on impeachment:

    ‘Even if he did it, Republicans don’t care!’



    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/ric...ans-dont-care/

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    Rick Santorum gives away the GOP’s game on impeachment:

    ‘Even if he did it, Republicans don’t care!’



    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/ric...ans-dont-care/
    Well Collins and Gardner should give a . Their skin is on the line. Hillary won their states fairly comfortably.

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    Rick Santorum gives away the GOP’s game on impeachment:

    ‘Even if he did it, Republicans don’t care!’



    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/ric...ans-dont-care/
    That has always been the GOP's game with our Dear Leader: corruption in plain sight.

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    A good article on Bolton. There really aren't any "good guys" in this whole mess.

    https://news.yahoo.com/bolton-who-ma...170021430.html

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    Trump’s threats of violence should warn us what’s coming after impeachment

    After Trump’s acquittal, his political chorus will continue to sing his praises.

    Powered by a mix of

    self-righteousness,

    white male rage, and

    right-wing victimhood,

    en lement and

    grievance,

    Trump will likely seek revenge,

    launching a fully unrestrained attack

    on the Cons ution,

    the rule of law,

    American democracy,

    the Democrats,

    liberals,

    progressives and

    any person or group who dares to try to hold him accountable.

    The American people and the Democratic Party have one option left to stop Donald Trump.

    On Election Day in November they must vote him out of power.

    To this point, America does not seem up to the task.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trumps-threats-of-violence-should-warn-us-whats-coming-after-impeachment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29



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    Trump’s lawyers are betting on their audience having no idea how the law works a very safe bet



    Trump’s lawyers are staking out bold ground by claiming that abuse of power

    which is, to many, the quintessential impeachable offense —

    is not actually grounds for removing a president at all.

    Dershowitz made the even greater leap that

    there is something inherently illegitimate about trying to discern

    whether the president had a corrupt motive in his act.

    “How are we supposed to get the proof of what’s inside the president’s head?”

    such arguments will only appeal to people who have no familiarity with criminal law.

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren ... said his arguments were “nonsensical.”

    “His characterization of the law simply is unsupported,” she told reporters after Dershowitz’s presentation in the Senate trial.

    “He is a criminal law professor who stood in the well of the Senate and

    talked about how law never inquires into intent and

    that we should not be using the president’s intent as part of understanding impeachment.”


    She continued:

    “Criminal law is all about intent.

    Mens rea is the heart of criminal law.

    That’s the very basis of it.


    So it makes his whole presentation just nonsensical.

    I truly could not follow it.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trumps-threats-of-violence-should-warn-us-whats-coming-after-impeachment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29

    So

    1. Abuse of power is not impeachable

    and

    2. We cannot know what Trash's "intent" was in abusing power and extorting Z?



    so Trash abused his power and could have been totally innocent in intent?


    btw, 21 State AG's, excellent sucking, sycophantic, authoritarian herrenvolk, have joined Trash's defense team.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-28-2020 at 04:35 PM.

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    Sekulow cons Senate:

    John Bolton’s ‘unsourced’ firsthand account of Ukraine scandal is ‘inadmissible’


    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/sek..._campaign=3599

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    Bouty could we pitch in and get you an emotional support animal for the upcoming Senate vote which does not impeach Don?
    Do you have an animal of choice?

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    Turns out the Republicans are right on this one. No crime was committed. The reasons they had rush to impeach was a lie (33 days they held on to them and then said after they impeached there was no hurry to get articles to senate), said they had overwhelming evidence which there is none as in zero plus they keep wanting to add to the articles and call witnesses, so yes, this was a major political move for the 2020 election. The only news I am waiting on is will any democrats vote to acquit. From my point of view if there are not a few democrats in there it really means they drew the line in the sand "It's us or them". Not sure if that will sit well with anyone that is not a democrat. November will be interesting, to say the least.

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    ‘Absolutely daft’:

    Expert explains why Trump’s blanket defiance of subpoenas is without legal justification


    according to law professor Frank O. Bowman III, who teaches at the University of Missouri,

    the anti-subpoena arguments Trump and his allies have been making during his impeachment are “
    without precedent or legal justification.”

    Patrick Philbin, one of Trump’s attorneys, has claimed that the

    subpoenas issued by House committees prior to a House vote authorizing an impeachment inquiry are not valid.

    But Bowman strongly disagrees with Philbin’s reasoning — or lack thereof.


    “The president’s position, incredibly, is that

    if an ongoing oversight investigation begins to produce evidence that might result in impeachment,

    the committees conducting that investigation somehow lose their subpoena authority

    until the whole House declares a formal impeachment inquiry,” Bowman writes.

    “This is, not to put too fine a point on it, absolutely daft.”


    Trump and his defenders, according to Bowman, seriously underestimate the oversight powers that Congress has under the U.S. Cons ution.

    “Congress has both a

    responsibility and a right to inquire closely into the operations of the federal agencies, programs and employees it authorizes, regulates and funds.

    The power of inquiry includes the power to use subpoenas to compel production of testimony and do ents.”


    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/abs...justification/

    feckless Dems ed up, after Mueller report and again now, by not asking SCOTUS for an emergency ruling Trash/Barr's total obstructionism of Congress.

    The above Cons utional power of Congress is exactly what the Repug/oligarchy wants to destroy with their "unitary executive" bull , which means Congress has NO power or oversight over the Exec branch






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    Turns out the Republicans are right on this one. No crime was committed.
    oh, ok

    The reasons they had rush to impeach was a lie (33 days they held on to them and then said after they impeached there was no hurry to get articles to senate), said they had overwhelming evidence which there is none as in zero plus they keep wanting to add to the articles and call witnesses, so yes, this was a major political move for the 2020 election. The only news I am waiting on is will any democrats vote to acquit. From my point of view if there are not a few democrats in there it really means they drew the line in the sand "It's us or them". Not sure if that will sit well with anyone that is not a democrat. November will be interesting, to say the least.
    or maybe the republicans are wrong, and the only news we should be waiting on is will any republicans vote to remove. if there are not a few republicans in there it really means they drew the line in the sand "It's us or them." Not sure if that will sit well with anyone that is not a republican. November will be interesting, to say the least

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    Not sure why you replied to my comment but "thanks".

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    Not sure why you replied to my comment but "thanks".
    because i had something to say in response to it. that's the purpose of the reply feature, last i checked

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    Internet chomps ‘pretending lawyer’ Jay Sekulow for wasting time playing video of Pelosi passing out pen

    Jay Sekulow, an attorney for President Donald Trump, suggested on Monday that the president should be acquitted at his impeachment trial because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) handed out pens as souvenirs after signing the articles of impeachment.

    Sekulow then played a clip, not of impeachment hearings, but of the signing of the articles of impeachment. Pelosi can be seen handing out pens as is traditionally done at major signings.

    “Pens!” Sekulow bellowed. “Distributed! To the impeachment managers! A celebratory moment!”

    “Think about that!” Sekulow demanded. “Think about this. A poignant moment.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/internet-chomps-pretending-lawyer-jay-sekulow-for-wasting-time-playing-video-of-pelosi-passing-out-pens/

    Jews for Jesus Sekulow, The Best People



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    There has always been a fear that the executive would work to consolidate its power to the detriment of other, co-equal branches of government. That trend has been accelerating over the past 50 years (at least). The point is to do anything and everything from allowing that trend to continue accelerating.
    you gotta fix money and gerrymandering, or nothing will get done, IMO.

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    A good article on Bolton. There really aren't any "good guys" in this whole mess.

    https://news.yahoo.com/bolton-who-ma...170021430.html
    Conservatives like bullies. That's why Bolton has been a Fox "news" contributor forever, and why his star rose so highly in the Trump party, who will now turn on him to demonize him at every chance, which is how you became aware of it. The Right-Wing attack machine has kicked into high gear after he turned on them.

    What does it say that the administration is rife with asshats like this?;'
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    Turns out the Republicans are right on this one. No crime was committed. The reasons they had rush to impeach was a lie (33 days they held on to them and then said after they impeached there was no hurry to get articles to senate), said they had overwhelming evidence which there is none as in zero plus they keep wanting to add to the articles and call witnesses, so yes, this was a major political move for the 2020 election. The only news I am waiting on is will any democrats vote to acquit. From my point of view if there are not a few democrats in there it really means they drew the line in the sand "It's us or them". Not sure if that will sit well with anyone that is not a democrat. November will be interesting, to say the least.

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    Mitch just stated he does not have the votes to stop witnesses.

    Grim business.

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    Trump's legal team closed out his 'defense' by showing that

    it had no defense

    On Tuesday, Donald Trump’s legal team stood before the Senate to give its closing argument …

    and discovered it didn’t have one.

    Instead, Pat Philbin spent half an hour adding some footnotes to Alan Dershowitz’s Monday night muddle.

    Pat Cipollone devoted 10 minutes to running some 20-year-old video of Democratic representatives complaining about Bill Clinton’s impeachment.

    And Jay Sekulow provided America with an hour of television too incoherent even for Alex Jones.

    Sekulow’s final speech wasn’t so much an argument as it was the world’s angriest tone poem,

    a dissociative spew that drew from more conspiracy theories than four seasons of X-Files.

    And if it sometimes seemed that Sekulow was channeling the robot from Lost in Space, he was most definitely lost.

    But Sekulow did have a theme: Why won’t everyone stop picking on Donald Trump?

    even when accepting such ideas as Joe Biden being corrupt, or

    Donald Trump being the downtrodden underdog,

    Sekulow failed to knit the threads together into something

    that looked more organized than dryer lint.

    If Adam Schiff gave a moving speech for the ages, and he did,

    Sekulow’s coda didn’t merit a moment.

    Mostly, what Sekulow achieved in an hour was the same thing his compatriots managed in a much shorter period—

    a statement that he had nothing.

    That there was no defense of Trump’s actions.

    That there was no answer to the challenges posed by new evidence.

    And he demonstrated that Donald

    Trump selects lawyers by loyalty, not competence.


    Not one of Trump’s attorneys could produce anything that looked like a closing argument.

    Because that first requires an argument.


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...had-no-defense

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