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    I'm just going to enjoy the boutons meltdown, tbh

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    To avoid a lengthy court battle. Because Trump stonewalled and forbid all of them from testifying.

    What is Trump hiding?

    Claims of innocence sort ill with midnight votes to prevent direct witnesses and evidence from being heard at trial.
    Does the executive branch not have a right to ask the judicial branch to settle a dispute with the legislative branch?

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    Does the executive branch not have a right to ask the judicial branch to settle a dispute with the legislative branch?
    A dispute?

    What dispute?

    These guys can exonerate Trump and we are done with this mess.

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    Why does TSA like being crushed?

    Just say:

    Asking a foreign president and their security services to investigate a potential presidential opponent is fine. Even if you threaten them by withholding US taxpayer money allowed to said country by Congress.

    Just say: It’s Ok. Trump’ lawyers have. Nothing wrong. It’s fine.
    Show me exactly where he threatened them by withholding aid.

    Just say: Presidential candidates, as long as they aren’t Trump, are immune from any investigations into corruption.

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    Does the executive branch not have a right to ask the judicial branch to settle a dispute with the legislative branch?
    It's still stonewalling, tbh... I mean, if it's the "perfect call" and there are no issues, he would actually want these subordinates to actually step in and testify to that effect, right?

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    A dispute?

    What dispute?

    These guys can exonerate Trump and we are done with this mess.
    Congress: we demand these witnesses
    Executive: no, we say they have immunity

    Again, does the executive branch not have a right to ask the judicial branch to settle a dispute with the legislative branch?

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    Show me exactly where he threatened them by withholding aid.

    Just say: Presidential candidates, as long as they aren’t Trump, are immune from any investigations into corruption.
    You don’t want that.
    You really don’t want that put together and corroborated by all in the WH.

    So just say it was a perfect phone call:

    The President can ask a foreign country and their intelligence to investigate a political opponent. So that the president can aid his re election. That’s really all you need. That the call. If you want to eviscerate Trump, then bring up the $ that his men can corroborate. Do we really want to torture the poor guy, he was stupid enough to make the call. There are laws protecting brains dead people.

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    Show me exactly where he threatened them by withholding aid.

    Just say: Presidential candidates, as long as they aren’t Trump, are immune from any investigations into corruption.
    You don’t want that.
    You really don’t want that put together and corroborated by all in the WH.

    So just say it was a perfect phone call:

    The President can ask a foreign country and their intelligence to investigate a political opponent. So that the president can aid his re election. That’s really all you need. That the call. If you want to eviscerate Trump, then bring up the $ that his men can corroborate. Do we really want to torture the poor guy, he was stupid enough to make the call. There are laws protecting brains dead people.

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    Does the executive branch not have a right to ask the judicial branch to settle a dispute with the legislative branch?
    Sure, but there’s no dispute where there’s no subpoena. Team Trump is all in on stonewalling, the only consequences they’ll have to face for that, for good or for ill, are political.

    There’s nothing to prevent the House from issuing subpoenas now or at some time in the future, or adding new articles of impeachment, or from transmitting supplementary information as it becomes available.

    Remember Benghazi?

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    It's still stonewalling, tbh... I mean, if it's the "perfect call" and there are no issues, he would actually want these subordinates to actually step in and testify to that effect, right?
    Call it what you whatever you want, does the executive branch have that right?

    Trump is probably enjoying watching the frantic dems step on their s over and over again all while his approval ratings reach and all time high during and after impeachment.

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    Call it what you whatever you want, does the executive branch have that right?

    Trump is probably enjoying watching the frantic dems step on their s over and over again all while his approval ratings reach and all time high during and after impeachment.
    saved for future reference

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    You don’t want that.
    You really don’t want that put together and corroborated by all in the WH.

    So just say it was a perfect phone call:

    The President can ask a foreign country and their intelligence to investigate a political opponent. So that the president can aid his re election. That’s really all you need. That the call. If you want to eviscerate Trump, then bring up the $ that his men can corroborate. Do we really want to torture the poor guy, he was stupid enough to make the call. There are laws protecting brains dead people.
    Sorry, but show me exactly where he threatened them by withholding aid.

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    Congress: we demand these witnesses
    Executive: no, we say they have immunity

    Again, does the executive branch not have a right to ask the judicial branch to settle a dispute with the legislative branch?
    The executive branch (Trump) has been impeached.
    Its too late for that. Get your WH witnesses out that know you have done nothing wrong and have them testify.
    Dont be stupid. Do what’s good for the country. Get this president back, fully exonerated and backed by both parties, that now know he is a honest, selfless man who wants the USA to be the best. No matter who is president.

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    Call it what you whatever you want, does the executive branch have that right?
    Nobody said they don't have a right to preclude the witnesses that have first hand knowledge that he's an innocent man. It's just seems counter-intuitive.

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    Sure, but there’s no dispute where there’s no subpoena. Team Trump is all in on stonewalling, the only consequences they’ll have to face for that, for good or for ill, are political.

    There’s nothing to prevent the House from issuing subpoenas now or at some time in the future, or adding new articles of impeachment, or from transmitting supplementary information as it becomes available.

    Remember Benghazi?
    If there’s no dispute where’s there’s no subpoena then there is no obstruction of Congress.

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    Nobody said they don't have a right to preclude the witnesses that have first hand knowledge that he's an innocent man. It's just seems counter-intuitive.
    House claims that right is obstruction of Congress.

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    Sorry, but show me exactly where he threatened them by withholding aid.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/u...raine-aid.html

    And It does not even matter.
    The call was enough.

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    If there’s no dispute where’s there’s no subpoena then there is no obstruction of Congress.
    You are making a disingenuous tautological argument that fools no one.
    We know what our president said on the phone, and we know why he has vacillated on letting witnesses and do ents be shown that could exonerate him. Because he is guilty of selling our country out for his re election. This awful argument is for the liars who are ignorant and beholden to the red team.

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    That’s not threatening Ukraine. Try again, show me where he threatened them by withholding aid.

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    And this is the Trumpy that enjoyed the excruciating pain of putting pizza and child parts together.

    ” No, I’ll take the impossible puzzle to solve over blatant stuff that, when put together, shows the moon is round. I like my theories and my rational possibilities to be... well... irrational.”

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    You are making a disingenuous tautological argument that fools no one.
    We know what our president said on the phone, and we know why he has vacillated on letting witnesses and do ents be shown that could exonerate him. Because he is guilty of selling our country out for his re election. This awful argument is for the liars who are ignorant and beholden to the red team.
    You claim Trump obstructed congress by going to the courts and asking them to resolve. Make your case. Explain to me how he doesn’t have that right and it’s obstruction of Congress. Had congress sought subpoenas and Trump ignored even after a court issued an order than you’d have actual obstruction. You don’t have and you know it. Looking forward to the inbound babble.

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    That’s not threatening Ukraine. Try again, show me where he threatened them by withholding aid.
    Yes it is.
    Read the article.

    All we need to put this to bed is the WH players on the stand.

    Personally the phone call is enough.
    I don’t need him shot for treason and bribes.
    Last edited by pgardn; 01-22-2020 at 12:45 AM.

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    Looking forward you the inbound babble
    And this is the Trumpy that enjoyed the excruciating pain of putting pizza and child parts together.

    ” No, I’ll take the impossible puzzle to solve over blatant stuff that, when put together, shows the moon is round. I like my theories and my rational possibilities to be... well... irrational.”
    Right on cue

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    If there’s no dispute where’s there’s no subpoena then there is no obstruction of Congress.
    No legal dispute.

    It's clear tthere'a a political.one. Ken Starr thought Clinton's claims of executive privilege were contemptuous, abusive and impeachable, the idea isn't so out there as you make it sound. It used to be the Starr/Kavanaugh party line.

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