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I never claimed my chronology either proves or disproves right wing conspiracy tbqh
It also does not prove or disprove left wing theory
Connect the dots tbqh
I'm sure Joe was just fighting corruption. The fact that his son had a super sketchy job there is purely a coincidence.
I never claimed my chronology either proves or disproves right wing conspiracy tbqh
It also does not prove or disprove left wing theory
Connect the dots tbqh
Trump president
Not brain dead Joe
Im thinking this is how many of the red team members like to derail threads.
From way back Joe lied about his school grades. His character is not stellar.
Just like Trump lied about... about... basically lied about everything he thought he needed to.
Keep in mind gas giants all over the world were all fighting to hire Hunter. Crack heads have a great knack at advising Gas Companies
Hunter was also banging his dead brother's wife. But they broke up days before Joe announced his candidacy.
Biden is done
"We have do ents" is the death nail for primary candidates.
Fake Liz should take the lead soon.
If the super sketchy prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden's employer or even threatening to, there might be something to that inference.
He wasn't, so there isn't.
Corrupt prosecutor blames a western cabal for his firing.
We should take this person at his word about his firing, but we should also ignore whatever James Comey says because he's bitter.
I wonder how much he pocketed from Trash's mafiya "to swear the truth about Biden"
DarrinS is a poster boy for motivated reasoning.
But, Ukrainian politics is a pit of snakes, it can be hard to separate reformers from the crooks.
One thing that seems clear, is that just about no one thinks the prosecutor who got fired was going after corruption in the energy sector, but actually, kind of the opposite.
Gee I wonder how he got the idea that a western cabal got him fired.
This Repug slander on Biden is exactly the same tactic as Repug slander of "butter emails"
10Ms, 100Ms of Americans are too ing stupid to know when they are being lied to.
Maybe the hometown pols thought he was a crook too. Both can be true at the same time.Gee I wonder how he got the idea that a western cabal got him fired.
Joe admitted to getting the guy fired
Like I said, both can be true.Joe admitted to getting the guy fired
The record seems to show the prosecutor was protecting the energy sector, not prosecuting it.
USA and EU objective was to get rid of the guy for NON-prosecution of corruption.Joe admitted to getting the guy fired
Ukraine wants to join the EU, is why Pootin invaded and occupies eastern Ukraine.
The narrative that Biden's actions were at cross-purposes with his son's position are better supported ITT and elsewhere than the sheer speculation that he was trying to shield him from legal hazard.
The prosecutor clearly said he was not complying because the person being investigated was a minister.
His version actually helps your opinion tbqh
Except that 2 things would also have to be true:
- Joe had personal interest in Burisma investigation
- his son was getting 50k a month from Burisma
You believe a corrupt prosecutor's oath because it support your priors.The prosecutor clearly said he was not complying because the person being investigated was a minister.
His version actually helps your opinion tbqh
I'd be all for an investigation of Joe Biden's Ukraine stuff. I've a feeling it'll go about as well as Russiagate, but hey, let's find out.
This will for sure kill Joe Biden's candidacy.
RIP, Joe Biden for President 2020
You're wrong.
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The controversy ignited anew earlier this year when I disclosed that Joe Biden admitted during a 2018 videotaped speech that, as vice president in March 2016, he threatened to cancel $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, to pressure Ukraine's then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire Shokin.
At the time, Shokin's office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Do ents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000.
Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for do ents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.
After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.
Joe Biden has since responded that he forced Shokin's firing over concerns about corruption and inep ude, which he claims were widely shared by Western allies, and that it had nothing to do with the Burisma investigation.
Some of the new do ents I obtained call that claim into question.
In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. "The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors," Shokin testified.
"On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation," Shokin added.
Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by do ents from Burisma's legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden's effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.
Burisma's own accounting records show that it paid tens of thousands of dollars while Hunter Biden served on the board of an American lobbying and public relations firm, Blue Star Strategies, run by Sally Painter and Karen Tramontano, who both served in President Bill Clinton's administration.
Just days before Biden forced Shokin's firing, Painter met with the No. 2 official at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington and asked to meet officials in Kiev around the same time that Joe Biden visited there. Ukrainian embassy employee Oksana Shulyar emailed Painter afterward: "With regards to the meetings in Kiev, I suggest that you wait until the next week when there is an expected vote of the government's reshuffle."
Ukraine's Washington embassy confirmed the conversations between Shulyar and Painter but said the reference to a shakeup in Ukrainian government was not specifically referring to Shokin's firing or anything to do with Burisma.
Painter then asked one of the Ukraine embassy's workers to open the door for meetings with Ukraine's prosecutors about the Burisma investigation, the memos show. Eventually, Blue Star would pay that Ukrainian official money for his help with the prosecutor's office.
At the time, Blue Star worked in concert with an American criminal defense lawyer, John Buretta, who was hired by Burisma to help address the case in Ukraine. The case was settled in January 2017 for a few million dollars in fines for alleged tax issues.
Buretta, Painter, Tramontano, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's campaign have not responded to numerous calls and emails seeking comment.
On March 29, 2016, the day Shokin's firing was announced, Buretta asked to speak with Yuriy Sevruk, the prosecutor named to temporarily replace Shokin, but was turned down, the memos show.
Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin's firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star's memos.
Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.
"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.
The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: "These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution ... and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies."
The memo provides a vastly different portrayal of Shokin than Biden's. And its contents are partially backed by subsequent emails from Blue Star and Buretta that confirm the offer to bring Ukrainian authorities to meet the Obama administration in Washington.
For instance, Tramontano wrote the Ukrainian prosecution team on April 16, 2016, saying U.S. Justice Department officials, including top international prosecutor Bruce Swartz, might be willing to meet. "The reforms are not known to the US Justice Department and it would be useful for the Prosecutor General to meet officials in the US and share this information directly," she wrote.
Buretta sent a similar email to the Ukrainians, writing that "I think you would find it productive to meet with DOJ officials in Washington" and providing contact information for Swartz. "I would be happy to help," added Buretta, a former senior DOJ official.
Burisma, Buretta and Blue Star continued throughout 2016 to try to resolve the open issues in Ukraine, and memos recount various contacts with the State Department and the U.S. embassy in Kiev seeking help in getting the Burisma case resolved.
Just days before Trump took office, Burisma announced it had resolved all of its legal issues. And Buretta gave an interview in Ukraine about how he helped navigate the issues.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...mpression=true
Prediction: The Trump DOJ will do nothing about the Biden/Ukraine stuff, and the narrative hater, DarrinS and TSA are pushing will join the already compendious mythology of Republican "alternative facts," like it was meant to do from the beginning.
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