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    Many probably agree. What Beto said about churches losing their tax exempt status if they don't recognize Gay marriage, OK... but they shouldn't be exempt regardless.

    If they post a net gain, they should pay taxes. If a pastor or clergy gets an income, it should be taxed. There should be no federal provisions for religious ins utions of any sort. I can understand charities being tax exempt, but not churches. Their charitable donations should be tax exempt if those donations meet the guidelines any other business has to meet.

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    yeah i totally agree and have for many yrs now. it sickens me to drive past these multi-million dollar big churches out here with their gold statues and whatnot donning the tops of them while their pastors fly on their multiple private jets and live it up in their multiple mansions.

    the devils who corrupt religion.

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    Yeah it really makes no sense.

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    I'm glad this is a left and right bipartisan agreement. The bible thumping Evangelicals will disagree of course.

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    I agree, but let's play devil's advocate. Free Exercise Clause of the 1st Amendment...

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    The troublesome part is the latter part... it could be construed as to think some generally applicable laws would be exempt or overruled by that mandate.

    It can be argued that involving a tax would be a direct intrusion of government into the 'free exercise', to the point of being prohibitive if the church cannot afford the tax.

    Then again, a counter-argument can be made such that if they only pay a certain percentage of their income (or nothing if they don't have income), then that situation wouldn't exist.

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    All the money churches take in is on money that has had taxes paid already. But I'd maybe be for taxes on excessive proceeds.

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    I mean...you are literally conning people out of money. If that's not taxable then what is?

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    I mean...you are literally conning people out of money. If that's not taxable then what is?
    Christianity didn't make you a cuck, blake.

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    I mean...you are literally conning people out of money. If that's not taxable then what is?
    People give more to charities like good will that their ceo make 1 million a year
    Do you think charities and churches con people ?

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    Christianity didn't make you a cuck, blake.
    derp slerp can't even find solace in a church thread lol

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    All the money churches take in is on money that has had taxes paid already. But I'd maybe be for taxes on excessive proceeds.
    All the money any business takes in is money that has he taxes paid already. No different for churches.

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    All the money any business takes in is money that has he taxes paid already.
    Yup. Which is why we are way overtaxed.

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    derp slerp can't even find solace in a church thread lol
    Why do you even bother, blake?

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    Yup. Which is why we are way overtaxed.
    Doesn’t rationalize churches getting special exemptions though

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    Doesn’t rationalize churches getting special exemptions though
    Sure it does. Parishioners don't want their money double taxed. Just like people who donate to charity don't want their money double taxed.

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    Charitable donations should never be taxed.

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    Charitable donations should never be taxed.
    Too many churches are more business than church.

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    Too many churches are more business than church.
    In the business of promoting values that don't jive with your lack of ethics.

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    In the business of promoting values that don't jive with your lack of ethics.
    I don't find it ethical for certain rich pastors to ask poor people for offerings when those pastors already have $10's of millions of dollars in the bank. I think Pastor Kenneth Copeland's most recent estimated net worth was over $750 million. And you're still asking poor people for money?
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    I don't find it ethical for certain rich pastors to ask poor people for offerings when those pastors already have $10's of millions of dollars in the bank. I think Pastor Kenneth Copeland's most recent estimated net worth was over $750 million. And you're still asking poor people for money?
    And what does this have to do with revoking the tax exempt status of all churches?

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    In the business of promoting values that don't jive with your lack of ethics.
    The problem with this thinking is that the government is not allowed (per the 1st Amendment, quoted above) to be the judge of what good or bad ethics are when it comes to religion.

    I don't want to assume, but I would be hard pressed to believe you support Islam promoting their values?

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    And what does this have to do with revoking the tax exempt status of all churches?
    If a church is being run as if it were a for-profit biz, then it should be taxed. I'm ok with some churches being tax exempt I guess, but certainly not all.

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    The problem with this thinking is that the government is not allowed (per the 1st Amendment, quoted above) to be the judge of what good or bad ethics are when it comes to religion.

    I don't want to assume, but I would be hard pressed to believe you support Islam promoting their values?
    I'm not sure Spurtacular even goes or has ever been to church but he knows that the "religious right" is on the red team, so he's all-in on religion as a result.

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    The problem with this thinking is that the government is not allowed (per the 1st Amendment, quoted above) to be the judge of what good or bad ethics are when it comes to religion.

    I don't want to assume, but I would be hard pressed to believe you support Islam promoting their values?
    I consider Islam to be a political persuasion of world domination. I personally don't count it among religions.

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    I consider Islam to be a political persuasion of world domination. I personally don't count it among religions.
    Well that's too bad for you because the cons ution and the courts do count it among religions.

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