Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 69
  1. #1
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    152,607
    US House overwhelmingly votes to recognize Armenian genocide

    The US House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to recognize the Armenian genocide of a century ago, stepping into a fraught historical debate at a particularly tense moment for the US-Turkey relationship.
    The House voted 405-11 in favor of the resolution, which is not legally binding, to formally recognize the systematic killing of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire in 1915, modern-day Turkey, as a “genocide”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...enian-genocide

  2. #2
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    152,607
    On Wednesday morning, Turkey summoned the US ambassador to the country over the resolution.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...054815944.html

  3. #3
    Pronouns: Your/Dad TheGreatYacht's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Post Count
    36,436
    Let's see how Cenk Uygur and "The Young Turks" react

  4. #4
    non-essential Chris's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Post Count
    39,908
    Ilhan voted present.

  5. #5
    Veteran vy65's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Post Count
    8,002
    Undercuts her moral authority, but what about those 12 red teamers that voted nay?

  6. #6
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,514
    Undercuts her moral authority, but what about those 12 red teamers that voted nay?
    not at all, if you know why she voted present.

  7. #7
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    144,596
    Ilhan voted present.
    Has Trump said anything about it?

  8. #8
    Veteran vy65's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Post Count
    8,002
    Omar’s “present” vote has sparked more coverage in the past 36 hours—of which this column is admittedly part—than the Republicans who voted “nay,” the GOP senators who aren’t even voting, or Trump’s complicity in Turkey’s ongoing massacre of Kurds. Good-faith critics on the left are concerned about “academic consensus” and “whataboutism,” but of course bad-faith critics on the American right are having a field day. As has been true since she took office, national right-wing media is eager to portray Omar as non-American, and now have fixated on a meeting Omar held with the Turkish president in 2017, alleging that she’s a foreign agent.

    That’s not what’s going on. Omar does not operate like other politicians. Her commitment to principle is one of her great strengths, but it creates the conditions for what seem like unforced errors. She’s bringing Bernie Sanders to Minnesota this weekend, and I wonder if this vote will overshadow it. More important, Armenians are upset. I spoke over the phone with the Rev. Tadeos Barseghyan, a pastor at St. Sahag Armenian Church in St. Paul. The church is located in the adjacent district to Omar’s, but serves Armenians throughout the region (including neighboring states). Barseghyan told me that the vote was long past due, but that it’s “wonderful to see that the country that we all respect and love officially recognizes and hears the voices of our people.”

  9. #9
    Veteran vy65's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Post Count
    8,002
    not at all, if you know why she voted present.
    I think it does. Her underlying message, while laudable, was not effectively communicated and fell into a weird, nihisltic relativism that all genocide is somehow the same.

  10. #10
    Veteran vy65's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Post Count
    8,002
    not at all, if you know why she voted present.

    Tadeos added, “Denying the Armenian genocide is denying gravity.” And I’m sure Omar agrees. She voted “present” to make a statement against a foreign policy of convenience. I’m sure she didn’t want to derail the conversation around the truth of the Armenian genocide or to cause pain to Armenians still searching for justice and recognition. Yet she did both. She’s seeking to make a better politics, but the jury is still out whether she can succeed without alienating people who would otherwise support her.

  11. #11
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,514
    “Denying the Armenian genocide"

    ... is that what AOC did?



  12. #12
    Veteran vy65's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Post Count
    8,002
    Huh? No. The only deniers would be the 12 red teamers who voted nay

  13. #13
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    144,596
    I guess better 100 years late than never, but the politics surrounding this vote are fairly nauseating.

  14. #14
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Post Count
    96,026
    I guess better 100 years late than never, but the politics surrounding this vote are fairly nauseating.

  15. #15
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Post Count
    96,026
    Omar’s comments on one hand seemed like a principled stance against taking these resolutions as politically convenient statements, but she also refused to acknowledge the genocide in her remarks and made cenk like comments about needing an academic consensus...

  16. #16
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    144,596
    It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt about their governments' past actions. Just look at Germany. All is largely forgiven now that they owned that . It certainly isn't a big sticking point in it's international relations anymore.

  17. #17
    NostraSpurMus phxspurfan's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Post Count
    14,364
    who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs

  18. #18
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    144,596
    who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs
    Like what? This vote took a few minutes.

  19. #19
    Veteran vy65's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Post Count
    8,002
    who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs
    Are there no Armenians in our own damn country?

  20. #20
    6X ST MVP
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Post Count
    81,091
    It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt about their governments' past actions. Just look at Germany. All is largely forgiven now that they owned that . It certainly isn't a big sticking point in it's international relations anymore.
    Water off a psycopath's back afterall.

  21. #21
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Post Count
    152,607
    who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs
    You don’t have to care

  22. #22
    6X ST MVP
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Post Count
    81,091
    who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs
    It's a huge issue. Turkey denying the genocide speaks to their tyranny.

  23. #23
    Got Woke? DMC's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Post Count
    90,829
    Tadeos added, “Denying the Armenian genocide is denying gravity.” And I’m sure Omar agrees. She voted “present” to make a statement against a foreign policy of convenience. I’m sure she didn’t want to derail the conversation around the truth of the Armenian genocide or to cause pain to Armenians still searching for justice and recognition. Yet she did both. She’s seeking to make a better politics, but the jury is still out whether she can succeed without alienating people who would otherwise support her.
    Gravity is just a theory like evolution.

  24. #24
    Got Woke? DMC's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Post Count
    90,829
    Are there no Armenians in our own damn country?
    If it was the Jews it would be more easily accepted.

  25. #25
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    97,514
    It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt
    USA is extremely butthurt about its centuries of slavery and racism, and of course its genocide and ongoing maltreatment of Native Americans, actually maltreatment of everybody non-white, non-male, non-Christian.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-03-2019 at 01:54 PM.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •