Someone ing tell Pop that shooters can play defense too. They're called 3&D guys.
"We need shooters because we constructed a 2019 roster that features two re s who can't shoot farther than 20 feet"
Someone ing tell Pop that shooters can play defense too. They're called 3&D guys.
"A coach's challenge and we saw Lonnie, Dejounte, and Derrick all play together tonight.
Don't want to hear any more from you, Edgelords."
The money Carroll makes is not why people are upset (IMO). It’s not that. It’s that everyone wanted a “win now” team to improve and SA refused to make any trades so the MLE was the only avenue to improve and they used it on a guy..........who can’t crack the rotation on a medicore team? Over Beli?
Has nothing to do with the dollar amount and more about that he represents the Spurs truly half assed approach the past couple years. They had a full season last year to evaluate DeRozan/LMA and their response to THEIR decision to choose a DeRozan led package was to stand mostly pat and sign Carroll?
Ok, but that is not very good front officing, do you agree? I don’t blame them for Morris, but this is a results business and quite frankly they have built a pretty crappy roster compounded by a team with no leadership, coach or otherwise it appears.
I'm planting this stake in the ground tbh:
1) They've quit on Pop
2) Becky would get more out of them.
What a ing sad timeline....
Why are we starting 2 3rd stringers while a legit starter is collecting DNPs?
Was nice to see Pop off the bench and lifting his arms - glad hes’ getting some cardio in. Hopefully he will start taking responsibility for the roster he built, the rotations he chooses and make some changes to this unacceptable level of defense he preaches so feverishly about.
If he’s more than words, then it’s time to take actions and show you aren’t just going through the motions.
Carroll was not signed with the MLE. Morris was.
*Need to say E-word intensifying*
They were originally using mle funds on Carroll. They then changed course and used the trade exception when they thought Morris was happening.
Sorry, you are correct. I forgot that he was the MLE player, but then Morris happened so they were able to make that deal. Still, point remains overall, but it’s MLE type money.
In all seriousness, saying this team has quit on Pop isn't a hot take like at all tbh.
But besides correcting a technicality, nothing to address the overarching point timvp? The money Carroll was signed with was not the critical part; it was that SA (run by Pop) chose DeRozan. They chose “win-now”. And now? What have they done to justify that decision?
It’s not like most rational Spurs fans want to call out Pop and the team. It would be one thing if this team was making strides, being compe ive and just losing games on a tough schedule.
It’s the irrational coaching, the getting blown out and the complete lack of defense or compe ive spirit that leads to these questions and do people not agree that these are justifiable questions based on the actual results?
You lose games, ok. But to just have so many games/halves/quarters where you completely quit and disengage is not acceptable at any level let alone for the Spurs.
True, by definition. The only sniffer who even dares to enter this thread is me and even I'm not going to challenge you on it, tbh. I think the Spurs problems are deeping than coaching and a lot of it is Spurs fans adjusting to how the real NBA operates outside of the Big Three dreamland we lived in for two decades ... but, I mean, blaming Pop is what about 90% of ST does. Pretty cold take given the company, tbh.
Welcome to the real NBA, tbh. Winning is hard, especially when you don't have a superstar.
Question: If the best basketball coach in the world were coaching the Spurs, how much of a difference would it make? Would these Spurs be championship contenders?
IMO, you guys are putting too much stock in ambiguous theories like "not enough engagement", "need more compe ive fire", "team quit on the coach", etc. This is what it's like when the NBA team you root for doesn't have a superstar or anything close to a superstar, tbh.
Wait....a few questions:
1) Who chose DeRozan over possible younger players and/or draft picks when Kawhi demanded a trade?
2) Who chose Mills, Beli and other vets in free agency?
3) Who dictates the playing time and is cobbling together the rotations to maximize what talent is on the roster?
4) Who made free agency decisions after this last season after seeing what they had in DeRozan/LMA combo?
No doubt that the talent on this team is a major issue and at some level no amount of coaching can make Mills/Forbes/Derozan/Beli good defenders. That is for sure and only so much to scheme.
But how did we get to this point and who has been making the decisions on playing time and roster construction and what deeper problem do you see?
Because the year Kawhi sat out, the team fought. They were fun to watch and we all knew they were not ultra talented or a real contender. That is the real NBA.
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Can’t believe the lead seat sniffer raybies has yet to answer one of these fine questions
I disagree some....Even with bad teams, you see a difference. You see the teams that are just really bad and quit and aren’t compe ive and their whole organization is a nightmare (Knicks, etc..). Then you see other teams that are bad record wise, but you don’t question their fight or effort; just the time needed for them to grow and build.
No one (at least not me) is asking for them to be legit contenders; that is unreasonable. But to be compe ive most nights? Yeah, I think this team has the talent to do that with better coaching and leadership.
If you don’t have that, then you have to make moves and pick a direction. But it all goes back to who made these decisions? Who chose DeRozan? Who decided not to offer up future picks to get more aggressive in the trade market and add talent and make moves to build a better roster?
Or the opposite - who decided to not move LMA or DeRozan to ac ulate more picks/young players even if not spectacular? Because this right here is literally worst case scenario. You have a team that has no fight, no ceiling and is turning fans off majorly while embarrassing themselves nightly.
Deeper than coaching? So you mean Pop the exec? Because he put this team together tbh.
You want me to answer the rhetorical questions, tbh?
Bottom line is the Spurs would be going on their 30th year of sustained championship aspirations if the Nephew situation didn't blow up. The Spurs' front office had somehow managed to keep the Spurs in championship contention even after the Big Three Era ended -- until Nephew wanted to go home. That's amazing, tbh. No one thought the championship window could extend that far. Not the sniffiest of the sniffers would have believed that.
But Neph wanted out and that ended the championship window after 29 years or whatever it was. Who the Spurs signed with the MLE or which trade they took when losing their superstar? What difference, at this point, does it make?
So the best conceivable coach wouldn't make them championship contenders? Then why all the questions? Their distance from where you think they can max out and where they are isn't that great, tbh.
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