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  1. #351
    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    Objectively:

    - 1A: Shaq
    - 1B : Kobe

    WC playoffs it was mainly Kobe
    NBA Finals : it was Shaq

    Having said that, opponents had their defensive game plans focused on Shaq first and foremost
    The 2000 Blazers were the team that was ideally built to bother Shaq, a good example was game 7. KFC told his team to forget about Shaq, resulting in better ball movement and Horry, Shaw and Kobe hitting big shots in their comeback
    (That and the refs)

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    Half of Kobe's 30 points was generated from Shaq's double teams.
    Yep. Kobe Jockers always conveniently forget that two defenders had to be used on prime Shaq and it was 4 on 3 on the perimeter.

    It created all kinds of easy opportunities. Any slob could've averaged big numbers with that setup.

    That's why it was funny watching someone like Devean George think he was hot .

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    This was the year the Lakers SWEPT the Spurs
    Say what?

    https://www.basketball-reference.com.../LAL/2001.html

    Shaq got more points in less minutes. Not to mention having all the contenders trying their hardest to design their entire defensive gameplay against him.

    @ LkrFan calling himself Lkrfan without knowing Lkr history.

    You can pull the 2004 playoff numbers though when Kobe really actually outscored shaq by jacking up every single shot, averaging an astounding 24.5 ppg on 20.9 shots, shooting 41.3%. While shaq only got 21.5 ppg on 14.5 while shooting close to 60%.
    Last edited by ambchang; 08-31-2020 at 09:45 PM.

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    Say what?

    https://www.basketball-reference.com.../LAL/2001.html

    Shaq got more points in less minutes. Not to mention having all the contenders trying their hardest to design their entire defensive gameplay against him.

    @ LkrFan calling himself Lkrfan without knowing Lkr history.

    You can pull the 2004 playoff numbers though when Kobe really actually outscored shaq by jacking up every single shot, averaging an astounding 24.5 ppg on 20.9 shots, shooting 41.3%. While shaq only got 21.5 ppg on 14.5 while shooting close to 60%.
    Run the Western Conference numbers that year. Kobe carried Shaq in the Western Conference - whereas teams with competent bigs were able to at least slow him down (Purs and Blazers being the most prominent teams that fit this description). Nobody in the West had anybody that could deal with Kobe.

    Kobe caused so much carnage, Pop went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen

    Who did Pop go out and get to stop Shaq?

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    Run the Western Conference numbers that year. Kobe carried Shaq in the Western Conference - whereas teams with competent bigs were able to at least slow him down (Purs and Blazers being the most prominent teams that fit this description). Nobody in the West had anybody that could deal with Kobe.

    Kobe caused so much carnage, Pop went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen

    Who did Pop go out and get to stop Shaq?
    So the tweet you had got the numbers wrong. Thanks for letting me know

    And Kobeís career highlight, after playing in 25 playoff series with shaq, Kobe had one series he pretty much played shaq to a standstill? Against a team built specifically to stop shaq and have perimeter defenders like a 37 year old terry porter playing 25mpg and Antonio Daniels being the best perimeter defender? You want to use that as proof that Kobe wasnít carried by shaq?

    Seriously, 8 years, 25 series and THAT is the series you want to highlight? Do you realize youíre actually shooting down tourney own argument?

    You know what happens when Kobe outscored (not out played, outscored) shaq? They get gentlemenís swept in the biggest upset in nba history with four HoFers on their roster. Thatís what.

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    Run the Western Conference numbers that year. Kobe carried Shaq in the Western Conference - whereas teams with competent bigs were able to at least slow him down (Purs and Blazers being the most prominent teams that fit this description). Nobody in the West had anybody that could deal with Kobe.

    Kobe caused so much carnage, Pop went out and got Bruce Lee Bowen

    Who did Pop go out and get to stop Shaq?
    The elite wings were out East during that period otherwise even Paul Pierce used to school Kirby on an annual basis.

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    i always liked kobe more than shaq

    but those teams were clearly more dependent on shaq than kobe. coaches clearly focused more of their defensive gameplans on finding ways to contain him as best as possible. kobe was able to receive a lot more one-on-one attention, which is what his game thrived on most.

    they needed each other to win, no question. and kobe had some moments of absolute greatness where he saved the team. but truth is, take kobe off those teams and they still easily make the playoffs with shaq, maybe even a 2nd round visit. take shaq off those teams, and they struggle to even make the playoffs. shaq was the foundation. and as mentioned, he didn't have to deal with many elite wings in the west. most of the best wings and guards were out east at that time. shaq was the one having to deal with most of the best big men in the league

    tbh looking back, those rosters were honestly not all that great, almost identical to the lakers supporting cast right now... a cast of decent players, but they are/were basically 1 dimensional or capable but not proficient shooters.

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    The elite wings were out East during that period otherwise even Paul Pierce used to school Kirby on an annual basis.
    Paul Pierce. please.

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    Paul Pierce. please.
    Tha Truth Hurts

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    Tatum is a better version of Kobe tbh

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    Hunting Jim down and dropping Js in his eye on his way back to the Finals
    Last edited by LkrFan; 10-08-2021 at 12:41 PM.

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    This was the year the Lakers SWEPT the Spurs
    misinformation

    the minutes played for them are backwards, and the ppg is completely incorrect, shaq averaged 30.4 and kobe averaged 29.4

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    misinformation

    the minutes played for them are backwards, and the ppg is completely incorrect, shaq averaged 30.4 and kobe averaged 29.4
    Kobe without Shaq: 2
    Kobe without Pau: 3
    Shaq without Kobe: 1
    Shaq with Kobe: 3
    Pau without Kobe:
    Pau with Kobe: 2

    I'm sensing a theme here. Do you?

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    Kobe without Shaq: 2
    Kobe without Pau: 3
    Shaq without Kobe: 1
    Shaq with Kobe: 3
    Pau without Kobe:
    Pau with Kobe: 2

    I'm sensing a theme here. Do you?
    ive never argued otherwise, although you missed a key figure

    kobe without pau or shaq: 0

    they have all needed each other

    i simply pointed out misinformation

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    Hunting Jim down and dropping Js in his eye on his way back to the Finals
    Never thought a guard can out maneuver a PF. Yup, those six cherry picked plays sure showed those two should never be in the sam conversation.

    The idiocy of kobestans just boggles the mind.

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    Kobe didn't get a covax shot, so I respect him for that Thread

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    Kobe didn't get a covax shot, so I respect him for that Thread
    are all people who get a vaccination worthy of disrespect? if so, why?

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    are all people who get a vaccination worthy of disrespect? if so, why?

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    on the end of the day there is no GM that would ever pick Kobe to start a team before Duncan.

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    Sheep are literally the ones who take ivermectin

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    i have no clue what im talking about
    got it, thanks

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    ive never argued otherwise, although you missed a key figure

    kobe without pau or shaq: 0

    they have all needed each other

    i simply pointed out misinformation
    Tru dat. We don't want to talk about Jordan without Pippen, for example

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    Sheep are literally the ones who take ivermectin
    I don't disagree with that. There's dumbasses on both sides.

    As for me........ Vitamin C, D, probiotic supp, plant sterol supp, milk thistle supp, 1 loratidine, 1 aspirin, 1 clonazepam and 1 benadryl a day... haven't had any type of URI in roughly 2 years with that daily combo. And I've been out of the house more than most through covid, and haven't put a mask on.

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