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Trade DeRozan now = surrender by the FO. With this roster, subtracting a 20ppg scorer is suicide and we become worse than the warriors.
The entire roster sucks ass in the modern NBA, it’s not all DeRozans fault like people want to believe.
Siakam is a legit mvp candidate at the moment and just got payed. He’s going to be in Toronto for a very long time.
edit: my bad I read your post wrong. Read it as “would need”
Last edited by Beartrucci; 11-14-2019 at 05:13 PM.
Trade DeRozan now = surrender by the FO. With this roster, subtracting a 20ppg scorer is suicide and we become worse than the warriors.
The entire roster sucks ass in the modern NBA, it’s not all DeRozans fault like people want to believe.
i'll settle for the washing machine from semi pro
Not sure why we feel they won't trade Bamba...
He can't play anything but center...they signed a center to a 100 million dollar contract to play in front of him...they have another center in Birch who gets minutes...
Bamba is playing less minutes in his second season then he played in his rookie season...
Clifford does not seem to like him AT ALL...
Probably have to give a up a 1st round pick to get him...and I am intrigued enough by Bamba to do that...
Derozan and Marco for Gordon and Bamba is ideal...
At constantly taking shots at me, only to practically plagiarise me . . . but I'm sure, if it comes to fruition, your legion of fellow cult members will be worshipping at your proverbial altar.
The issue is everything and they're related. They make this trade and they'll not only have more 3-point shooting among their best players, but they'll be able to unlock the Murray-White pairing, which along with Gordon should boost the defense.
The trade would mostly be about Gordon, but Fournier is actually a solid fit offensively. Murray and White either aren't ready or worse, talented enough offensively to where a pure 3 and D wing makes sense next to them. They need secondary shot creation and spacing, both of which he can provide.
Defensively, it would be manageable if White starts and untenable altogether if Forbes continues to . . . and that's where the problem lies. Forbes has no place on the team if this occurs and it wouldn't make sense to commit the probably near MLE type contract he's probably got coming to him. Sense should supersede sentiment, in the form of shopping him for either a decent 2nd or a controllable young player of commensurate value.
what happened to the quote bubble? can a mod revert the change? it’s bad UX tbh.
Pop/Buford chose to be a treadmill team which is probably the worst place to be in this league.
You actually look a lot like Fournier tbh.
I was taking this as an either or thing. Not both. Sure, if you can get both then it makes sense. I was saying just swapping Fournier for DeRozan doesn’t do much IMO
The issue is everything and they're related. They make this trade and they'll not only have more 3-point shooting among their best players, but they'll be able to unlock the Murray-White pairing, which along with Gordon should boost the defense.
The trade would mostly be about Gordon, but Fournier is actually a solid fit offensively. Murray and White either aren't ready or worse, talented enough offensively to where a pure 3 and D wing makes sense next to them. They need secondary shot creation and spacing, both of which he can provide.
Defensively, it would be manageable if White starts and untenable altogether if Forbes continues to . . . and that's where the problem lies. Forbes has no place on the team if this occurs and it wouldn't make sense to commit the probably near MLE type contract he's probably got coming to him. Sense should supersede sentiment, in the form of shopping him for either a decent 2nd or a controllable young player of commensurate value.
Yeah, but that wouldn't happen. I suspect the Magic know, if they're going to do this, Gordon has to be in it and they're okay with that (descending contract, Isaac's presence, Okeke drafting, Aminu signing).
Knowing RC, he's probably gonna throw in Lonnie, another 1st rounder and 10 mil in cash to sweeten the pot.
No doubt Orlando is looking at a way to get rid of Fournier’s contract. Hopefully a third team gets involved, like Charlotte.
His deal isn’t bad at all and only has one more year on it. He has positive value for sure. Its not something they would need to dump nor should they.
totally agree, there is no place and not enough minutes for bamba in orlando and for us it could be a center for a years. He showed great defense and offensive rebounds. Finally we could get someone who could rebound those bricks from 3pt line and i see a potential in murray-bamba especially in alley-oops.
Never going to happen. Pop is more concerned with trying not to hurt anyone's feelings than with trying to improve the team.
Also, DeRozan is a potential expiring in case things go south. That gives him extra value.
That speaks more about PATFO's lack of trading skills than anything else, tbh. Every person, with just a bit of foreshadowing, knew it was a horrible trade the moment it happened.
I said it here a couple of days ago - if this is being discussed, Orlando is going to try to push Fournier + Fultz. I never said the Spurs would make that trade, but that's what Orlando will try to make happen.
Orlando is dead last in 3P shooting. Doesn't seem likely to me that they would trade a volume 3P shooter (Gordon) "who is at least capable of spreading the defense" for a non-3P-shooting DeRozan. Especially since it would rob them of a PF and leave them overweight at SF. Fournier is a SF, and even though he shoots some 3's they would still get an upgrade at that spot by trading him for DeRozan. In the East, the exchange of Fournier for DDR would have a good chance of getting them to the .500 record (give or take) that puts them in the playoffs.
Isaac is off the table for Orlando. Fuhgeddaboudit.
In his current incarnation, Terence Ross is all but unplayable. Not only is he shooting .245 on his 3P attempts, he has an ORTG of 84. I guess that's still better than Beli's ORTG of 81, but he's all but unplayable, too. If Ross got his 3P eye back, he'd be an asset. But I wouldn't want to take on yet another bad contract on spec.
Bottom line, any salary match the Spurs could get from Orlando would include someone that all of you would whine about, and extend the misery here by at least another season.
Yep. I would love to see some value come back from trading DDR. But taking on one or more half-ass players with longer contracts SHOULD be a non-starter.
Gordon and Fournier for DeRozan and Belinelli works mathematically. Just throwing it out there.
DeRosan and Beli for Isaak, Aminu, Fournier and Bamba
I'd love to include another outgoing rotation player tbh, free up minutes for Lonnie/Carroll.
Gordan, Bambi, and their second for DEROZZ and Forbes.
I agree, it isn't his fault. He is probably our best player this year. But in saying that he is the easiest to trade and make a better fit. Also you have to consider that DD is leaving. Spurs are not close on the extension. Your looking down a tunnel at losing him with no cap space to patch it up.
My hope is that, to the extent there is a market for DDR, this starts to reveal who else might be interested (e.g., DET).
Siakam wouldn't have been given the freedom to become as good as he is if he were on the Spurs... He would have been right next to Metuchen in the G league
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