And of all things, Mills is a better defender.
Yup exact same stats as mills but worse shooting %'s
And of all things, Mills is a better defender.
saw this earlier on realgm, not sure how accurate it is but it is not surprising in the least. skipping the part he has about best/worst offensive players since we have neither:
A look at the best and worst rated players (using a 500 minute minimum for just guys playing starter minutes) by 538's new Raptor ranking at roughly a quarter of the way through the season. I usually find the bottom more interesting then the top in these sorts of ratings as you generally already know who's at the top
Defense:
Best:
Gobert 6.2
Harrell 5.3
Butler 5.3
J Allen 4.5
A Davis 4.4
Isaac 4.4
OG 4.0
Bam 3.9
Giannis 3.8
T Thomposn 3.7
Worst:
Forbes: -5.1
Paschall -5.1
Miles Bridges -4.4
Booker -4.2
DeRozan -4.1
Garland -3.9
Lou Will -3.9
Trae Young -3.9
Sexton -3.9
Beal -3.8
The top ranked defenders are mostly who you'd expect - strong defensive bigs, led by Gobert. Harrell isn't usually seen as this strong of a defender though and Jimmy Butler notably ranks high as a wing defender.
The bottom ranked defenders are some kids mixed with offensive stars that are giving back a bunch on defense. Beal and Young bring enough offensive value to be solidly positive overall while Booker and Lou only get back to near even.
Overall:
Best:
Harden 13.0
Doncic 10.2
Giannis 9.8
Butler 9.6
LeBron 9.1
Towns 8.2
Harrell 8.0
A Davis 5.5
Lillard 5.4
Isaac 5.1
J Allen 5.1
Worst:
Garland -7.6
Poole -5.9
Miles Bridges -5.9
Lauri M -5.9
Paschall -5.7
Ingles -5.6
Forbes -4.7
Bryant -4.6
Westbrook -3.6
DeRozan -3.4
Hunter -3.4
jesus man....by 538's RAPTOR rating system Forbes it the worst defender in the NBA that's getting rotational minutes and of course Derozan not far behind him. it's 100% obvious why SA sucks so bad
Yeah, just play Forbes 25m+ every game, it's not like you have a talented, young, promising SG/SF rotting on the bench...
I didn't even watch the video you posted, and I remember this play from the game. I recall thinking who was the idiot that didn't switch to stop the ball, and yep, sure enough, it was Forbes lost on D per par.
Uh Bryn Forbes is one of the top 2-3 players the Spurs have. Most consistent. Only dude that can hit a shot.. Only dude that busts his ass every second of the game... What are you watching timvp?
I see the stats, but put down the newspaper and watch a game. Forbes kicks ass. Tonight as well.
SequSpur, you think he's adequately sized to compete on defense as a starter?
Pop still with the Patty Forbes lineup in OT.
The only reason Pop got away with Forbes so much was because Westchuck was in full effect. He was getting exposed on D except when WB bailed him out over and over by chucking.
Except, Forbes has trouble kicking ass on defense when he's running around lost, ten yards from the ass he's been assigned to kick.
I just watched the replay to see if I was being too hard on Forbes. I wasn't. That bas is SO lost on defense, so often it should be criminal. Not saying he never does anything good, or that he doesn't make shots. But he's sitting in No Man's Land swiveling his head a lot. Damn near everything he giveth, he taketh away.
LMFAO! bro... Even I can go out there and bust my ass... Doesn't stop me from being trash and doesn't stop the team from being better offensively when I'm on the bench (as is the case with Forbes)
Pop is that you?
Forbes would be good off the bench, just not starting. He's the best player in the NBA when it comes to pull ups after one dribble, 73% eFG. One of Mills/Forbes has to go
I would consult the actuarial tables . . .
That sounds like a marketing opportunity. Just leave out the part where shooting over him turns scrubs into All-Stars. And running through him. And around him.
Having Forbes in the SL is like finding a $100 bill, but having a hole in your pocket and losing it... plus all the other money you worked for. He's money - you just don't get to keep it.
Unfortunately we need his shooting, he has to start. We are the worst team shooting the 3.
No, that doesn't mean he has to start. It only implies he should play significant minutes.
Hey with this edgy take, just how soon can we expect the HOF - best coach in NBA to realize Bryn needs to moved from starter?
We are also the worst defensive team...the person who will be replacing him can also shoot threes and play a LOT more defense
No one seems to get this. They didn't get it on page 2 of this thread (see below) and they still don't.
The naivete of talking about Forbes like he's supposed to be a defensive stopper would just make people who make a living at this (employed NBA personnel) laugh out loud.
Forbes starting is really dumb. Forbes closing is just asinine.
With White/Lonnie showing both can hit the 3, there’s no reason Forbes should be starting with no defense.
My problem with Forbes has been the same problem I've always had with Mills, what does it matter if you drop 20 but give up 25 on the other end? He's not Harden or any other similar player, his offense, no matter how good, will never make up for his shortcomings on defense.
We get the stupid point you're trying to make, but you're wrong.
ENOUGH already! Who the expects Bryn ing Forbes to be a "defensive stopper"? Show me what you're talking about, because I don't think anybody said that ever. He's arguably the worst defensive player in the league. If not THE worst, then certainly close to the bottom. Nobody thinks he's going to be a defensive stopper, and nobody expects that. Nobody. So either show where people are expecting Forbes to be a defensive stopper or shut that straw man down.
We've watched games this year where play after play the other team goes looking specifically for Forbes as a scoring opportunity. I don't give a rat's ass if he puts up 50 a game, if he's giving up 70 easy points to the other team. (I guess I should scale that down for you: I don't give a rat's ass if he puts up 13 a game, if he's giving up 20 easy points to the other team.)
Nobody is down on Brynn because he's not the second coming of Bruce Bowen. It's because he's a non-defender most of the time. Does he ever get in a defensive lick? Sure. But I could set out a traffic cone, and occasionally someone would stumble over it.
The point of the article is that he can't be a starter in the NBA. That's true. Just as important, he can't be a starter alongside DDR, because the two of them make a hole you can drive a semi truck through. And if it's a choice between DDR and Forbes, there really isn't a choice. Forbes should not be starting on this team, as constructed.
Oh, and your statement that he always makes a 3 just when the team really needs it? He's averaging 13 points per game, period. It's 13 points, no matter where it comes. Maybe if he'd made a couple of 3's earlier in the game, the team wouldn't be in such need later. He makes enough 3's to average 13 ppg. THAT is who he is on offense. On defense, he's a hill that the other players have to climb constantly.
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