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    you're stillwithher
    i'm still with #hangthat hrc

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    lazy subject changing tactic.


    "full blown" is vague. i'll defer to the findings of the obama-appointed IG. he thought it was justified


    i dont. i also dont see any mention of him discussing that a preliminary investigation would have been appropriate
    Barr expands on full blown in the interview I linked. Wired CHS’s, undercover FBI agents, FISA warrants. Do you think the Papadapolous comment warranted all that? And you can’t fall back on Horowitz that, he made judgement on clearing the low bar to open, not what followed.

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    i didnt say he used improper channels. its just very clear that he has a vested interest in the outcome of durham's investigation, in that he really wants it to give a specific set of results.
    yup, that's the political tie to Trump I was referencing earlier...

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    his job isnt to protect the president
    Protecting the President would have been shutting down the investigation.

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    his job isnt to protect the president
    Say Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch had tasked themselves with second guessing an IG investigation and casting shade on other investigations that reflected poorly on Obama, what would the GOP say then?

    There's at least one good reason we have an IG, and that's to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest that would arise any time a political appointee was put in charge of investigating the person who gave them the job, or, his own department.
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    Protecting the President would have been shutting down the investigation.
    which one? Durhan isn't investigating the President, he's looking for an excuse to give the prez ammo to play the victim card some more.

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    Protecting the President would have been shutting down the investigation.
    That's one way.

    The way Barr is doing it -- with press interviews, bespoke investigations, and ad hoc opinions about the work product of his own department -- is another.

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    Barr expands on full blown in the interview I linked. Wired CHS’s, undercover FBI agents, FISA warrants. Do you think the Papadapolous comment warranted all that? And you can’t fall back on Horowitz that, he made judgement on clearing the low bar to open, not what followed.
    no

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    Say Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch had tasked themselves with second guessing an IG investigation and casting shade on other investigations that reflected poorly on Obama, what would the GOP say then?

    There's at least one good reason we have an IG, and that's to prevent the appearance of a conflict of interest that would arise any time a political appointee was put in charge of investigating the person who gave them the job.
    Eric Holder was held in contempt of congress trying to protect his President

    And Barr didn’t second guess the IG report he praised its work. He disagreed on what should have been done rather than what may be done when opening the investigation.

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    Bad for Holder, ok for Barr.

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    The Durham investigation will likely be 'completed' right smack in the middle of campaign season (sometimes towards the end of the summer next year), probably with some bombastic declarations, one or two indictments, of which we won't have the results by election night.

    Bookmark it and hold me to it. I'll be happy to eat crow if incorrect.

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    Wired CHS’s, undercover FBI agents, FISA warrants. Do you think the Papadapolous comment warranted all that?

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    Wired CHS’s, undercover FBI agents, FISA warrants. Do you think the Papadapolous comment warranted all that?
    deferring to obama-appointed IG

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    deferring to obama-appointed IG
    The Obama appointed IG said the regulations permitted it, he didn’t say it was the correct choice of actions.

    Wired CHS’s, undercover FBI agents, FISA warrants. Do you think the Papadapolous comment warranted all that?

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    The Obama appointed IG said the regulations permitted it, he didn’t say it was the correct choice of actions.

    Wired CHS’s, undercover FBI agents, FISA warrants. Do you think the Papadapolous comment warranted all that?
    hindsight is always 20/20

    if they uncovered the crime they were looking for we wouldn't be second guessing it at all

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    awesome

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    hindsight is always 20/20

    if they uncovered the crime they were looking for we wouldn't be second guessing it at all
    The fake crime the Clinton campaign paid for?

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    None of the deflecting has anything to do with impeachment.

    Why has Trash and his mafiya been forgetting, lying, obstructing investigations about their Russian connections?

    Why is Trash so subservient to Pootin?

    Why are Trash's geopolitical moves matching exactly what Pootin would want him to do?

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    Trump’s Other Lawyer

    Much more powerful than Giuliani,

    William Barr is exercising the Justice Department’s full force to defend a president in crisis.


    Barr advocates for what is known as the “unitary executive theory,”

    which challenges the long-established doctrine that the president’s control over his branch of government is shared, to some degree, with Congress and the courts.

    Critics say that in its maximalist form, the theory is a license for authoritarianism

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...-hearings.html

    So why do Repugs adore and push hard for an autocratic, uncheckable President?

    It's just not to implement their perverted interpretation of the Cons ution.

    When a Repug President becomes an autocrat he will mop up, complete the destruction of govt that the Repugs have been executing for decades, a destruction that has enriched the oligarchy financing the Repugs.

    "Government is the problem", cannot do anything good, must be drowned in bathtub, etc, etc.




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    The fake crime the Clinton campaign paid for?
    investigation started before the that and they wanted a warrant before that

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    investigation started before the that and they wanted a warrant before that
    I already tried asking you questions about the start of the investigation but you were too chicken to answer so I moved on

    You specifically said the crime they were looking for. What crime were they looking for that didn’t come from the Clinton campaign paid for dossier?

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    I already tried asking you questions about the start of the investigation but you were too chicken to answer so I moved on

    You specifically said the crime they were looking for. What crime were they looking for that didn’t come from the Clinton campaign paid for dossier?
    there was recently a big OIG investigation into all these questions you're asking me

    the fbi shouldn't get a free pass for all the ups they had. a lot of people should be disciplined/fired tbh. but the opening of the investigation was found to be ok. the methods used (informants, etc) was found to be ok. nobody was planted within the campaign to gain political info. and despite all the potential evidence there, no affirmative finding of bias on any decisions made

    you dont have to like the results, but thats what they are. asking me about my opinion of what that report should have said is useless.

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    *Bias warning* center left former CIA opps officer


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    there was recently a big OIG investigation into all these questions you're asking me
    Then why are you having so much trouble answering?

    Which crime were they looking for?

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