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Do you watch Fox News, Darrin?
Do you watch Fox News, Darrin?
I repeatedly said the there would be no FISA warrant without the Steele dossier, the IG report confirmed this.
If memory serves, you have claimed repeatedly that the Steele dossier was used to kick all this investigation off. You have said it repeatedly, and loudly.
I guess I could comb through all your old posts to prove that, but I don't think you are worth the effort anymore.
Now it is simply "part of" the justification for the FISA warrant, which no one really doubted.
The IG report you listed stated that there were good reasons, as I have pointed out, to take the dossier somewhat serious to begin with, albeit with fact checking all the way.
All investigations justified and proper.
No political bias.
Maybe one criminal referral?
Not a great day for the Trumpettes.
(shrugs)
Edit:485 We determined that the election reporting from Christopher Steele played no role in the
opening of Crossfire Hurricane. As described in Chapter Four, while some individuals in the FBI,
including Steele's handling agent, had received Steele's election reporting as early as July 2016, the
CD officials at FBI Headquarters and the members of the Crossfire Hurricane team did not receive the
first Steele reports until September 19-weeks after the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was
opened-and were not aware of any of the information in the reports prior to that date. We also found
no evidence that the FBI undertook any investigative activities directed at the Trump campaign or
members of the Trump campaign before opening Crossfire Hurricane on July 31, 2016. As described
in Chapters Three and Nine, the FBI had ongoing investigations of Paul Manafort and Carter Page at
that time, which were unrelated to the information that predicated Crossfire Hurricane.
I do not believe your current representation. I remember your statements quite differently. While my memory may be fallible, you are an actively dishonest sophist. I trust my memory vastly more than I trust any representation by you of what you said or didn't say.
true, but you had also said at least one time that they had previously applied for a warrant, were rejected, then got their hands on the dossier to reapply for the warrant. that wasnt true either. they did not elect to seek a fisa warrant before because they realized they didnt have PC
In order to obtain the most intrusive form of surveillance on an innocent US Citizen the FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.
More (shrugs)?
ok...so what?
that would be a pretty big detail in trying to prove that deep state was just doing whatever they could to take down trump at all costs
i know that darrin outright said the dossier is what launched the investigation, i dont know that TSA made that claim
It's already started here. Might as well go back to the pizza well.
I don't remember making that claim and if I did it would have been before the Papa D/Halper information came out.
Trump claims DOJ inspector general report shows 'attempted overthrow' of the government
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-do...200922630.html
Dangerous demogoguery.
Already noted FISA courts suck ass. I don't like them. This just confirmed my su ions about them.
disagree on it being a pretty big detail as they still used the unverified dossier and lied on the FISA applications, omitted exculpatory evidence, and didn't follow the Woods procedures in order to obtain the warrant.
lol wut?
How was the FISC supposed to know the FBI was lying on the applications?
How was the FISC supposed to know emails submitted as evidence had been altered?
How was the FISC supposed to know Page was a vetted source for the CIA if it was omitted from the application?
How was the FISC supposed to know Steele was not reliable and his reports were uncorroborated if it was omitted from the application?
Didn’t hear TSA say if they did anything illegal
TSA never missed any opportunity to disparage Mr. Steele and the dossier. dunno. not really going to go searching.
Not what anything in this report states. Quite the opposite in fact.[see below correction-RG]
(edit) Went back in and more carefully read:
"significant questions"We determined that the FBI's decision to
receive Steele's information for Crossfire Hurricane was
based on multiple factors, including: ( 1 Steele's prior
work as an intelli ence rofessional for
; (2)
his expertise on Russia; (3) his record as an FBI CHS;
( 4) the assessment of Steele's handling agent that
Steele was reliable and had provided helpful information
to the FBI in the past; and (5) the themes of Steele's
reporting were consistent with the FBI's knowledge at
the time of Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S.
elections.
However, as we describe later, as the FBI
obtained additional information raising significant
questions about the reliability of the Steele election
reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting
relied upon in the FISA applications, and did not fully
advise NSD or 01 officials.
Take it back. They had fair reason to grant some weight to his information, but should have been a bit more skeptical as information developed.
Important from the same section:
No political witch hunt.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 12-09-2019 at 05:42 PM.
‘A damn liar’: Bill Barr ripped for ‘playing clean up for Trump’ after release of IG report
The attorney general claimed this report, like special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation,
had cleared President Donald Trump of wrongdoing, and
insisted the probe had found the FBI had conducted an improper investigation of his 2016 presidential campaign.
“The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of su ions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken,” Barr said in a statement.
“It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/a-damn-liar-bill-barr-ripped-for-playing-clean-up-for-trump-after-release-of-ig-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3187
Nothing amazing anymore. These Repug MOTHER ERS are shameless, lawless, All Politics All The Time anti-Cons utional assholes
I expect Barr to refuse Trash's defeat in 2020
I mischaracterized slightly. Steele's handling agent said he was reliable in the past and some of his past work had been corroborated, but none had been used in criminal proceedings. And then the FBI lied to the FISC about his past work.
(nods) Worked on my edit as you were typing this.
I'm really curious here how you fault the FISC and not the FBI.
How was the FISC supposed to know the FBI was lying on the applications?
How was the FISC supposed to know emails submitted as evidence had been altered?
How was the FISC supposed to know Page was a vetted source for the CIA if it was omitted from the application?
How was the FISC supposed to know Steele was not reliable and his reports were uncorroborated if it was omitted from the application?
Seemed reasonable at first. Which I find pretty appropriate.We determined that the FBI's decision to rely
upon Steele's election reporting to help establish
probable cause that Page was an agent of Russia was a
judgment reached initially by the case agents on the Crossfire Hurricane team. We further determined that
FBI officials at every level concurred with this
judgment, from the OGC attorneys assigned to the
investigation to senior CD officials, then General
Counsel James Baker, then Deputy Director Andrew
McCabe, and then Director James Corney. FBI
leadership supported relying on Steele's reporting to
seek a FISA order on Page after being advised of, and
giving consideration to, concerns expressed by Stuart
Evans, then NSD's Deputy Assistant Attorney General
with oversight responsibility over OI, that Steele may
have been hired by someone associated with
presidential candidate Clinton or the DNC, and that the
foreign intelligence to be collected through the FISA
order would probably not be worth the "risk" of being
criticized later for collecting communications of
someone (Carter Page) who was "politically sensitive."
Accord ing to McCabe, the FBI "felt strongly" that the
FISA application should move forward because the team
believed they had to get to the bottom of what they
considered to be a potentially serious threat to national
security, even if the FBI would later be criticized for
taking such action. McCabe and others discussed the
FBI's position with NSD and ODAG officials, and these
officials accepted the FBI's decision to move forward
with the application, based substantially on the Steele
information
The remainder, after that:
[quite a few sections showing exculpatory information was omitted, both initially, and in the lazy re-applicaitons]
Legal, but sloppy, and not motivated by politics, but rather alarm at something that seemed quite serious. OP holds up.
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