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    Even if you accept the false premise that Obama is a horrible person he is way too concerned with his legacy to attack Bernie and all his young supporters directly.
    not my premise

    What Obama said was not public, and he will "block" Liz and Bernie by supporting/campaigning for his veep and good friend Biden, along with the rest of the Dem establishment, much of which will be "behind doors" as was Dems trashing of Bernie in 2016.

    "leftist fever dream paranoid fantasy" ? G F Y

    btw, Pelosi/DNC has already announced months ago that anybody working to unseat Dem in bents will be blackballed. no paranoia needed

    and Biden, for the Dem establishment, is as good as an "in bent"

    iow, they want no more progressive AOCs and The Squad. AOC knocked about a longtime old crusty Dem pillar.
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    If you consider the possibility that Warren won't win the presidency (highly probable imo), she will have to work with these people she's campaigning against again. If she does win, she will need their support. Besides, I don't see anything wrong with what she said in the video. She said what she's for. Why differentiate? If voters care to know the differences, they can find out what Bernie is for and compare notes. What you're suggesting is for lazy voters. Bernie's base isn't moving.

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    btw, Pelosi/DNC has already announced months ago that anybody working to unseat Dem in bents will be blackballed. no paranoia needed
    They are supporting in bents only. Its not the DNC's job to help primary Democrats. Their money would go to AOC too since she's an in bent. You guys are so desperate to blame Obama, Pelosi, DNC for everything I half expect you to support those people who protested Schumer and Pelosi after Trump killed Soleimani

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    If you consider the possibility that Warren won't win the presidency (highly probable imo), she will have to work with these people she's campaigning against again. If she does win, she will need their support. Besides, I don't see anything wrong with what she said in the video. She said what she's for. Why differentiate? If voters care to know the differences, they can find out what Bernie is for and compare notes. What you're suggesting is for lazy voters. Bernie's base isn't moving.
    She'll attack other people directly (wine cave pete), Biden, and has done so ad nauseum but she wont even state "this is why you should pick me over Bernie" as she appears to be scared to. If people twist it as an attack thats just life but can't expect her to have any separation whatsoever to have any separation from Bernie if she won't differentiate herself. She is just 100% playing to lose at this point

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    She'll attack other people directly (wine cave pete), Biden, and has done so ad nauseum but she wont even state "this is why you should pick me over Bernie" as she appears to be scared to. If people twist it as an attack thats just life but can't expect her to have any separation whatsoever to have any separation from Bernie if she won't differentiate herself. She is just 100% playing to lose at this point
    IF Warren ends up being the lone survivor to go H2H against Trump, she'll need Bernie's supporters. If she attacks him now, even if Bernie comes out in support of her later, she could lose a good portion of his base to either non-votes or some pointless independent.

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    She'll attack other people directly (wine cave pete), Biden, and has done so ad nauseum but she wont even state "this is why you should pick me over Bernie" as she appears to be scared to. If people twist it as an attack thats just life but can't expect her to have any separation whatsoever to have any separation from Bernie if she won't differentiate herself. She is just 100% playing to lose at this point
    There is no way whatsoever for her to say single thing about her being better than Bernie that Bernie supporters would not take as a smear no matter how innocuous it is. This is a very fragile group of people who think the whole world is against them.

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    IF Warren ends up being the lone survivor to go H2H against Trump, she'll need Bernie's supporters. If she attacks him now, even if Bernie comes out in support of her later, she could lose a good portion of his base to either non-votes or some pointless independent.
    I really can't believe we could live in a country so fragile we couldnt stand it if she said "here are 5 reasons to vote for me over Bernie" and it wouldn't be taken as some kind of vile attack. She's running for president and she has to make her case.

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    I really can't believe we could live in a country so fragile we couldnt stand it if she said "here are 5 reasons to vote for me over Bernie" and it wouldn't be taken as some kind of vile attack. She's running for president and she has to make her case.
    It's not what she says but how the MSM spins it and she's being asked by the MSM to drop a list right on the spot. Does her website have anything? Why select Bernie in particular?

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    It's not what she says but how the MSM spins it and she's being asked by the MSM to drop a list right on the spot. Does her website have anything? Why select Bernie in particular?
    They are going for the same voters mostly. Her platform is very similar so to me it would seem she needs to make a case for why her and not Bernie.

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    Warren is probably my pick but its a little frustrating when she won't make a case for herself when asked directly. Meanwhile she will lob bombs at others such as Pete even though have similar voters (both poll well among college grads) etc. Maybe she is afraid of Bernie's supporters

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    adversarial compe ion, cheap shots, politics of personal destruction, it's all the American Way.

    Rugged Individualism, frontiersman loner, all mythical bull

    common cause, solidarity are trashed as "socialistic".

    Capitalism ethics is paranoid, predatory, selfish dog-eat-dog, as each is supposedly guided by The Invisible Hand of the Perfectly Free Market to seek satisfaction and wealth no matter the cost.

    The "debates", along with FOUR ING YEARS of ETERNAL CAMPAIGNING, are silly silly bull , point scoring bull .

    Is that what voters want to see?

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    They are going for the same voters mostly. Her platform is very similar so to me it would seem she needs to make a case for why her and not Bernie.
    I understand your stance, but I just think they have plans that include each other's bases and/or each other. Either way, they won't beat Trump. I think Biden will be the dem candidate to face Trump, and Trump will beat him most likely. It's really hard to tell though, crazy seems to happen.

    In-fighting just airs the dirty laundry of the entire group. The Dems' only hope it to show solidarity and direction. Right now no one in the party seems to have a firm grasp on what direction they can go, although some "grass roots" bull keeps getting mentioned since it's the liberal buzzword that seems to get the most love.

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    Warren does not attack Bernie Sanders cuz she has more dead bodies in her closet

    Bernie is the closest thing to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Just the take the "L" op, fall in line and support Bernie

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    IF Warren ends up being the lone survivor to go H2H against Trump, she'll need Bernie's supporters. If she attacks him now, even if Bernie comes out in support of her later, she could lose a good portion of his base to either non-votes or some pointless independent.
    Hillary attacked Bernie a lot in 2016 (and DNC was actively working against him) but Bernie bros still overwhelmingly voted for hillary come the general election (more than Clinton primary voters did for Obama)

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    Hillary attacked Bernie a lot in 2016 (and DNC was actively working against him) but Bernie bros still overwhelmingly voted for hillary come the general election (more than Clinton primary voters did for Obama)
    Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election.

    Specifically, if the Sanders-Trump voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania had voted for Clinton, or even stayed home on Election Day, those states would have swung to Clinton, and she would have won 46 more electoral votes, putting her at 278 enough to win, in other words.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/54581...p-survey-finds

    So "overwhelmingly" isn't good enough. We'd expect Dem voters to overwhelming vote for the other Dem instead of the GOP candidate. But Hillary lost 12% of those votes, and to make matters worse for the Dems, Trump gained them. So the gap became the same size as 24% of Bernie's voter base. That's not unsubstantial and doesn't even speak to the non-votes.

    If Warren goes on the attack against Bernie, he goes on the attack against her. The his campaign said about Hillary and the Clintons was repeated by Trump. Warren doesn't want to give Trump any ammo. I understand her reticence, but it might not be the best strategy. Even explaining their differences says Bernie is wrong. Then comes the question to Bernie citing quotes from Warren, taken perhaps out of context. Bernie responds and it becomes a battle. Biden benefits from that but then so does Trump because the issues that come to light are still Democratic party issues.

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    Lil commie boutons taking a break from bashing and ting on every Democrat in history to preach party unity
    adversarial compe ion, cheap shots, politics of personal destruction, it's all the American Way.

    Rugged Individualism, frontiersman loner, all mythical bull

    common cause, solidarity are trashed as "socialistic".

    Capitalism ethics is paranoid, predatory, selfish dog-eat-dog, as each is supposedly guided by The Invisible Hand of the Perfectly Free Market to seek satisfaction and wealth no matter the cost.

    The "debates", along with FOUR ING YEARS of ETERNAL CAMPAIGNING, are silly silly bull , point scoring bull .

    Is that what voters want to see?

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    Warren does not attack Bernie Sanders cuz she has more dead bodies in her closet

    Bernie is the closest thing to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Just the take the "L" op, fall in line and support Bernie
    Bernie bro’s arent really that different than Trump s when it comes to the worshipping game. You people have serious problems. God sent us Trump Bernie is like Jesus he suffered a heart attack just for us sinners.

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    I'm going to bore you with this scenario one more time, and I wish someone would argue the point.
    All of the Democrats presently running for President are just wasting time, money, and shoe leather. Hillary Clinton is the de facto Democrat nominee for President. By not stating her intention she bypasses all debates and primary elections (displaying political savvy). She will announce her candidacy at the DNC national convention in July, where she will be nominated by acclamation on the first ballot

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    I'm going to bore you with this scenario one more time, and I wish someone would argue the point.
    All of the Democrats presently running for President are just wasting time, money, and shoe leather. Hillary Clinton is the de facto Democrat nominee for President. By not stating her intention she bypasses all debates and primary elections (displaying political savvy). She will announce her candidacy at the DNC national convention in July, where she will be nominated by acclamation on the first ballot
    Nope. She has waited too long. Hillary isn't happening. Warren isn't hitting Bernie because she is now running for Bernies VP. they can join hands at the convention and beat Biden and Bloomberg individually.

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    Liz's first time thru

    If she's smart enough and good campaign staff, she has plenty of time

    Way too progressive for the DNC, but, unlike Bernie, at least she's an official Dem.

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    Liz's first time thru

    If she's smart enough and good campaign staff, she has plenty of time

    Way too progressive for the DNC, but, unlike Bernie, at least she's an official Dem.
    We shouldn't want any "official" Democrat or Republican. "Official" means they're part of the Zionist war mongering club.

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    Stop being nice and start scalping opponents.
    Shouldn't be hard with her background.

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