Lol. So Spurs fleece everyone? Great trade idea.
It's scary that you took the time to map out a 17 player trade.
Lol. So Spurs fleece everyone? Great trade idea.
...that has zero chace of happening.
Some of you really suck at this trade scenario thing.
"Everything was good to go, and at the last minute David Stern came back to life and vetoed the deal. I swear."
Yo c'mon the spurs aren't fleecing anyone. Its the spurs the ones who will be getting fleeced. We all know this.
Lol. The fuse is lit.
At first, with our little mini-streak felt maybe spurs decided to ride it out. But recent slide has me thinking otherwise. 2 games behind Memphis for 8th. Looking at Feb schedule, feels like Spurs will probably win maybe 3 or 4 games in that time span.
1/29 Utah - Loss
2/1 Cha - Win
2/3 @LAC - Loss
2/4 @LAL - Loss
2/6 @Por - Win?
2/8 sac - leaning towards loss
2/10 @DEN - Loss
2/11 OKC - Loss
2/21 @UTAH - Loss
2/23 OKC - Loss
2/26 DAL - Loss
2/29 ORL - Win
Things can happen... but thats a rough schedule for a team that isn't great. We have the potential to come out of Feb completly decimated in the standings.
Actually according to Hollinger both Orlando and Sacramento increase their wins by 1 for the rest of the year and Spurs increase their losses by 4. I guess we’re not tanking but fleecing our way to the #1 pick.
LMA to POR still makes a lot of sense on paper. They, with a Lillard type player, need to add talent where they can and trade is their most viable path due to their cap situation.
It puts LMA back in a comfortable place and SA can drop out of the PO race gracefully. Two separate deals:
Deal 1:
POR Gets: LMA + Beli
SA Gets: Whiteside + Zach Collins + 1st
Deal 2:
POR Gets: Mills
SA Gets: Ariza
So basically, we clear LMA off the books next year, Mills off the books and get rid of Beli to open up playing time. Ariza only has a small guarantee, Whiteside is an expiring and Spurs get a big man prospect and a first round pick.
POR gets their extra star power with LMA locked in for another season, gets a great back up PG and good leader and more shooting with Beli.
Reason for the 2 deals is because Ariza cannot be combined with other players in a deal.
Dreamers
Metu for vet. Only possible move ))))). Guard I guess. ))))
The Spurs unfortunately will probably not make any moves. The only thing I can see them doing is moving Carroll because he asked for a trade not because PATFO thinks they need to make a move. With the proper rotations this team would have 10 more wins than they have right now most likely. I’m all for a trade but just don’t see it happening.
Getting rid of Beli makes me feel funny where my swimsuit goes. But isn't Collins sort of redundant with Poeltl here? I assume the plan is to just let Whiteside go. But if you're going to do that, why not just let LMA go? I guess the extra year, assuming LMA opts in? The Spurs would wind up with Top 10 draft pick big men from consecutive drafts in Collins and Poeltl.
I think the Spurs could actually ask for Gary Trent or Hezonja in the Mills/Ariza deal, since Ariza's salary is enough on its own to offset Mills', and the numbers still work after adding their salaries.
You still haven't said how the Spurs get rid of Forbes, so the funny feeling is starting to subside.
Collins is a very different sort of big man than Jakob. Just like having LMA + Jakob, you would have Collins who is a big man that can score and shoot some from 3.
LMA is fully guaranteed next year so there is no option. Zach is super cheap still on a rookie deal. Whiteside could just be bought out like you said.
Spurs need big men in their pipeline honestly and Jakob is due a raise as well.
Can’t combine any other players with Ariza in a deal, so no go on Trent/Hezonja. Getting rid of Beli/Mills means you only have one of those types of guys in Forbes. I can live with that.I think the Spurs could actually ask for Gary Trent or Hezonja in the Mills/Ariza deal, since Ariza's salary is enough on its own to offset Mills', and the numbers still work after adding their salaries.
You still haven't said how the Spurs get rid of Forbes, so the funny feeling is starting to subside.
yea let's just trade the 2 best players on the team when we have 13 other guys that suck
That was a brain blip about LMA. I know better than that. Still, it's a naked dump of Aldridge. I hate doing that in what promises to be a terrible FA class, but if the Spurs were really blowing it up I guess that may be for the best. (We're just talking here, right?)
I was kidding about you not accounting for Forbes' demise, but I want his dumb ass off the roster. Partly because he'll never score enough to offset his negative impact more than occasionally. And partly because I'm dreading the day that they announce they've given him a new fat contract.
I'm pretty sure what I said about adding one of Trent/Hezonja to the deal is correct, for the reason I listed. But I already made one mistake in that post so I'm not getting y about it. I'll see if I can find an article on it, but I think the rule is there to keep a team from combining a recent acquisition with another salary to make the match possible. So you can't acquire a guy just for ballast in a trade - have to wait two months. But if Ariza's salary makes the match for Forbes' (and it does), the Blazers could throw one of those guys on top. I think.
I like that. The only thing about the second trade is if we are blowing it all the way up and trading DDR too I'd like to keep some veteran presence for the young guys. For me, I'd rather move the other little guy for a 2nd ed pick or as part of a DDR trade and keep patty for another year. I wouldn't expect to be huge players in FA this summer other than using space to facilitate deals for future assets and we could have plenty of that depending on the DDR deal.
Too bad the Knicks hate us. They might be dumb enough to give us picks for our vets.
To me, being realistic about LMA’s value, getting a former top 10 pick with a little upside and a first round pick isn’t just a dump. That’s a pretty decent return. Not amazing, but solid.
LOL I know you were kidding. But I am not sure your last part is correct; that would be news to me on how that is interpreted. Would honestly love to see that language/an example.I was kidding about you not accounting for Forbes' demise, but I want his dumb ass off the roster. Partly because he'll never score enough to offset his negative impact more than occasionally. And partly because I'm dreading the day that they announce they've given him a new fat contract.
I'm pretty sure what I said about adding one of Trent/Hezonja to the deal is correct, for the reason I listed. But I already made one mistake in that post so I'm not getting y about it. I'll see if I can find an article on it, but I think the rule is there to keep a team from combining a recent acquisition with another salary to make the match possible. So you can't acquire a guy just for ballast in a trade - have to wait two months. But if Ariza's salary makes the match for Forbes' (and it does), the Blazers could throw one of those guys on top. I think.
I can see that, but it really clears the books quickly if you trade Mills. This would allow you to have options if you don’t want to tear it all the way down. You can extend DDR and rebuild with cap space, youth and picks around him for a few years. Or like you said, also move DDR (which is what I would prefer.)
I was just working through one trade at a time. DeRozan I will post next.
* eagerly awaits Chinook to rip trade to shreds *
I like the way your thinking. I'll add, if we needed extra cap space we could easily move mills for space this summer as he enters the final year of his contract.
Sure, but if you can do it now? I would. Especially if you can still get the first round pick out of it in the other deal.
... I nee to pay more attention to what I'm writing. I looked at the first round pick and thought "they won't do that", and wrote it off. And Collins is injured and MIGHT be back in March. It sort of reminded me of Patty's shoulder injury, and we know how long it too him to get back to anything near what he was. Still, it's your hypothetical and if you want to throw in a first, I'm all for it.
Here's the first article I ran across. I don't know who the Luke Adams is, but he agrees with me so I thin he's right.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/...ba-trades.html
And a bonus, since we're starting to get use to the idea of plotting next season. Start watching Spencer Jones at Stanford. He's young, but he checks a lot of boxes. Last year this time I had been watching two guys that nobody was talking about going higher than the Spurs' pick (De'Andre Hunter and Chum Okeke) plus one that people thought might go undrafted (Thybulle). I think Spencer Jones might be another one of those guys who hits a lot of radars before it's over, but the Spurs could have a pick high enough even if that happens.
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