AOC should leave the Democratic Party

[Spurtacular]

Dodge what? He just gave an unequivocal yes, isn’t really dodging anything...

Giving a grudging yes and actually saying it is not the same thing, especially when it comes to Chump.

He loves wiggle room. Never assume anything is unequivocal when it comes to him.

[Reck]

Saying yes is actually not saying yes.

derp

[Isitjustme?]

lmao thats phenomenal. Now she is lecturing people on how to turn West Virginia socialist.

I am pretty sure in that Netflix movie she was in of the women was socialist and in West Virginia and got creamed lol

[spurraider21]

Nope. TOTAL PUTZ

what were/are your thoughts on palin?

[ElNono]

My man. My man.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...hat-do-n933771

Please try and blame this one on the superdelegates and DNC. The DNC's handpicked moderates are the only ones who did anything in 2018.

That article pretty much agrees with what I wrote. The closing paragraph especially highlights what I was talking about and why Biden is a terrible candidate.

[Will Hunting]

I am pretty sure in that Netflix movie she was in of the women was socialist and in West Virginia and got creamed lol

That Netflix movie was ing awful and I’m embarrassed to say I got halfway through it before turning it off, but there was one scene showing that woman in a primary debate with Manchin and it was a bloodbath

[AaronY]

That article pretty much agrees with what I wrote. The closing paragraph especially highlights what I was talking about and why Biden is a terrible candidate.

OK well we will take your word for it that Bernie would have won. Also, if Biden wins the nom and loses then obviously Bernie or Warren would have won easily

[Will Hunting]

OK well we will take your word for it that Bernie would have won. Also, if Biden wins the nom and loses then obviously Bernie or Warren would have won easily

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump

[AaronY]

I am pretty sure in that Netflix movie she was in of the women was socialist and in West Virginia and got creamed lol

Oh I never seen it. I think I checked their results on wikipedia and one woman lost by 77-7 or something.

There was supposed to be a former Democratic West Virginia governor we were trying to get to run as senator this year but I checked just now and I dont think he's running.

[Spurtacular]

Saying yes is actually not saying yes.

derp

Watch him dance, tranny.

[baseline bum]

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump

we should all be preparing for it, seems reasonably likely.

[AaronY]

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump

The economy is strong and I don't think anyone would be a favorite against him from this field. A war or slowdown would help. I know if Bernie or Warren gets the nom and loses badly you will definitely move to the center and say moderates are good for sure immediately.

[Spurtacular]

what were/are your thoughts on palin?

She's not my hero; but it was fun watching her trigger snowflakes.

[Spurtacular]

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump

Seems like the sensible thing to do.

[ElNono]

Stacey Abrams also wins the Georgia governor race if her opponent isn’t able to abuse his power and suppress votes.

The whole midterm argument assumes the premise that you win presidential elections by flipping the middle when evidence doesn’t support that. Bill Clinton was the last candidate to win a presidential election by focusing on trying to win the middle, every candidate from either party who has tried it since then has failed (Gore, Kerry, Romney, H. Clinton).

Possibly the largest vote-flipper in the '18 midterms was Beto, who didn't win, and didn't look all that progressive back then either.

Also, all candidates eventually veer to the middle some once they won the candidacy. Even Trump with the whole "my hedge fund buddies are going to take a hit", etc. While it's true it more pandering than anything else, it's also true that middle is going to make or break your chances.

[Will Hunting]

we should all be preparing for it, seems reasonably likely.

just imagine Trump in debates with Biden... be going full speed tearing into Biden with all kinds of insults while dumb Joe will be standing there with the wandering arm and old man stare saying “I don’t like you but I like Republicans!”

[Reck]

we should all be preparing for it, seems reasonably likely.

Not a believer in polls then? Don’t blame you.

But he’s 1 of 2 that beats Trump by like 10 points. The others do as well but barely and in the margin of errors.

[spurraider21]

Possibly the largest vote-flipper in the '18 midterms was Beto, who didn't win, and didn't look all that progressive back then either.

Also, all candidates eventually veer to the middle some once they won the candidacy. Even Trump with the whole "my hedge fund buddies are going to take a hit", etc. While it's true it more pandering than anything else, it's also true that middle is going to make or break your chances.

dont you remember when he guaranteed everyone would get healthcare coverage and the government would pay for it?

[baseline bum]

Not a believer in polls then? Don’t blame you.

But he’s 1 of 2 that brats Trump by like 10 points. The others do as well but barely and in the margin of errors.

We have seen this act before with Clinton. I'm not at all confident with the Democrats nominating a guy who won't get people to turn out. "Hey Trump's a crook and an asshole" failed as a message in 2016, so I'm leery of it in 2020.

[baseline bum]

just imagine Trump in debates with Biden... be going full speed tearing into Biden with all kinds of insults while dumb Joe will be standing there with the wandering arm and old man stare saying “I don’t like you but I like Republicans!”

I bet the debates will just turn into Trump insulting his son.

[Will Hunting]

Not a believer in polls then? Don’t blame you.

But he’s 1 of 2 that beats Trump by like 10 points. The others do as well but barely and in the margin of errors.

This is where the Hillary/Biden supporters are dense, polls don’t take voter turnout into consideration. Not to mention how much of a failure the polls were in 2016.

If the country had 90% voter participation on Election Day I’d be fervently in favor of picking someone closer to the middle, but when it’s only 55% to 60% turning out the base matters more than winning the middle.

[baseline bum]

This is where the Hillary/Biden supporters are dense, polls don’t take voter turnout into consideration.

If the country had 90% voter participation on Election Day I’d be fervently in favor of picking someone closer to the middle, but when it’s only 55% to 60% turning out the base matters more than winning the middle.

This. The Democrats running another negative campaign like Clinton's is just going to hurt turnout when people think "meh, both sides."

[Isitjustme?]

This is where the Hillary/Biden supporters are dense, polls don’t take voter turnout into consideration. Not to mention how much of a failure the polls were in 2016.

If the country had 90% voter participation on Election Day I’d be fervently in favor of picking someone closer to the middle, but when it’s only 55% to 60% turning out the base matters more than winning the middle.

I thought the argument for Bernie is the base would turn itself out and he would get people who don't normally vote out? and the competing theory is to do what Biden is doing which is to focus on older people and swing voters who always turn out but can be flipped. Most of the Bernie people say his thing is he brings in people who wouldnt normally be voters. But the counterpoint is he could turn off moderates or some independent people would just stay home if its a socialist and Trump as the only two options.

[Will Hunting]

The economy is strong and I don't think anyone would be a favorite against him from this field. A war or slowdown would help. I know if Bernie or Warren gets the nom and loses badly you will definitely move to the center and say moderates are good for sure immediately.

All kidding aside this field just sucks progressive or moderate. Charisma/personality matter more than politics and none of these candidates have an Obama-like personality that hooks voters. Maybe Biden did but he’s too old now.

I really wish Sherrod Brown ran, he’d be way better than anyone else in the field.

[spurraider21]