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All you guys meddling over what raw average player you guys want. And here I am just enjoying DD playing at a high level.
I heard Ingram wasn't even on the table unless Spurs took Deng or something.
All you guys meddling over what raw average player you guys want. And here I am just enjoying DD playing at a high level.
WTF do you need bird rights for if you sign him to a multi-year deal? Last time I checked the Clippers got Lou Williams and Montrez Harrell for CP3. I wouldn't call that return trash
The revamped offense give him more space to operate. That leads to fewer TOs.
Because it's more money? Obvious Answers for 600, Alex... Kawhi lost $39M with no Bird rights on signing with the LAC. In the past, the agent would have pressured a S&T to get those Bird rights. It's to encourage players to re-sign with their clubs.
Oh, and Sweet Lou and Trez, while not inherently trash, is probably worse than what we got for our All NBA player. Not even close to an equal return on a certain HOF player who is leading the NBA in clutch stats this year on a team that most picked to nosedive.
Wow, I did some digging and it really was Kuzma the untouchable one. I stand corrected, and was misremembering - just another example of LOLakers missing out on a guaranteed ring with Nephew by stinging out on a 27th pick
As for Kuz > Ingram it's arguably Ingram topping the show so far, and it doesn't have a lot to do with their roles on scoring: Ingram, two years younger, is posting better 3P%, eFG%, FT%, 3 more RBG and 4 more APG, more steals and blocks, and 12 more PPG than Kuzma; all of this with only a 5% difference in USG% (28.6 to 23). They're about equal in offensive rating but a 10 point difference for defensive (113 to 103DEFRTG) and higher TS% also favor Ingram.
Actually, after looking at the stats, I don't really see the argument for Kuzma beyond the hypothesis that he could improve in all categories by simply having more of the offense ran through him, which doesn't seem likely. I'd for sure want Ingram over DeRozan, but not Kuzma, tbh.
The guy will turn it over with nary a teammate around him
I'd still rather that...
i was speaking from a franchise perspective. Not many teams can offer him a max and some teams who want that 3rd star might look into doing a S&T
Pretty sure the only reason Kuzma was untouchable is because I believe that is the guy the spurs were targeting in the draft instead of Derrick White...Wow, I did some digging and it really was Kuzma the untouchable one. I stand corrected, and was misremembering - just another example of LOLakers missing out on a guaranteed ring with Nephew by stinging out on a 27th pick
As for Kuz > Ingram it's arguably Ingram topping the show so far, and it doesn't have a lot to do with their roles on scoring: Ingram, two years younger, is posting better 3P%, eFG%, FT%, 3 more RBG and 4 more APG, more steals and blocks, and 12 more PPG than Kuzma; all of this with only a 5% difference in USG% (28.6 to 23). They're about equal in offensive rating but a 10 point difference for defensive (113 to 103DEFRTG) and higher TS% also favor Ingram.
Actually, after looking at the stats, I don't really see the argument for Kuzma beyond the hypothesis that he could improve in all categories by simply having more of the offense ran through him, which doesn't seem likely. I'd for sure want Ingram over DeRozan, but not Kuzma, tbh.
So the lakers were just not going to give the spurs the player they wanted, not that they actually thought he was better than ingram, which he isn't...
And the Spurs were not doing any deal with the Lakers without Kuzma being involved since that is the guy they wanted to draft in the first place...
I think Amick covered every possibility for DeRozan. Nothing like playing it completely safe.
From work today talked to my co worker who has substantial tie in to Magic FO. He says Magic leaning towards not making any big move trade wise unless an offer made they can't pass on. Everything has been made more complicated due to injury to Isaac, & lesser degree Aminu.
Says DDR is around target 3 or 4 on potential moves & the 3 things that really complicate a deal 1) DDR ability to opt out 2) Magic feel they would need a 3&D guy next to DDR in SL & SA doesn't have one so necessitates a 3 team deal or additional trade 3) in a Gordon/Fournier for DDR deal involving only SA, Magic would want White or KJ or Walker or 1st.
The Isaac injury and real uncertainty if he returns this year is biggest factor in Magic most likely not being aggressive thus deadline and if they do DDR only becomes target if they fail on 1 & 2.
Last edited by SpaceCoast Spursfan; 01-14-2020 at 08:37 PM.
Also said most likely destination for DDR based on talk Magic FO is hearing would be Miami. He would still put probability very low just due to size of trade & complications of multiple team trades.
They have heard framework of 3 team trade between Heat, Spurs, & Kings. Could be 9-14 players involved with the main peices being DDR/Ariza to Heat. Winslow/Bogdanvic to Spurs, and Johnson /Waiters + picks to Kings.
Has heard some combination of additional players to include Dedmon, Joseph, Giles, Ferrell, Onylyk, Robinson, Beli, Forbes, Lyles, and Carroll. To be clear all of these guys not included but rumblings of Miami has different scenarios of this trade on board ranging from 9 to 14 players involved.
So kj,demar and a first for gordon/fournier? Might b tempted there but with derozans recent play its probably too steep. Forbes,belli and carroll are available though
Last edited by slick'81; 01-14-2020 at 09:00 PM.
Dude if we could get Winslow and Bogdanovich that would be a steal for Demar lol
I'd be all over that deal too
yes please
Just wanted to add he thinks DDR probably isn't traded, and based on the chatter the Magic has heard there isn't much of a market for Derozan (in terms of equitable deals) . He basically this was the best, most equitable deal that he thinks a team is willing to propose. He also said that it's known the Spurs like Bogdan but not sure how they evaluate Winslow & that Winslow is a pretty polarizing talent in terms of varying opinions among scouts/GM. Last he said he would put a little more credence to this trade having a chance of happening because Pat Riley is not afraid to spearhead a big move like this. In the end it would come down to how serious the Spurs are about moving DDR & what they think of Winslow
We know there isnt much of a market for demar.unfortunately were probably stuck with him do or die
We do not want Winslow.
Can't see them trading DeRozan in season.
Bogdanovic is an RFA, but so long as a trade is consummated before July 1st, I believe they can trade his rights.
Winslow would be a tricky fit offensively, adding another sub par shooter and secondary creator. He's a solid defender, but not quite big enough (6'5'', 225 with a 6'10'' wingspan) to defend the elite big wings.
Combined they'll likely cost as much or more as DeRozan does now and would only exacerbate the 1-3 logjam (Winslow can play small ball PF, but that only alleviates it so much).
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=w8ks4b7
DeRozan
Belli
For
Barnes
Gabriel
Giles
Future 1st round pick
Then turn around and trade
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=sbro44c
Aldridge
Carroll
For
Whiteside
Collins
Trent jr
Roster
PG- Murray, White, mills
SG- Walker, Forbes, Trent
SF- Barnes, Gabriel
PF- Collins, Gay, Lyles
C- Whiteside, Poeltl, Eubanks
Giles plays in Austin
Next year the 2 rookies and metu come up.
Weatherspoon for mills
Johnson for Forbes
Metu for Lyles
If samanic and Giles show enough improvement
Samanic for Gay
Giles for Eubanks.
Last edited by palangi; 01-15-2020 at 02:18 AM.
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