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    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-sign-stealing


    First and second round draft picks in 2020, 2021.

    Alex Cora reportedly next.

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    Still think there should at least be an asterisk next to that le, but other than that, it looks like a strong enough punishment on paper. The suspensions are more likely to make teams think twice about future cheating than just the fine and lost draft picks would have been.

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    Funny how the Yankees were “fined” in 2017 for cheating and no suspensions there. It’s all good though.

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    Damn Jim Crane not ing around. He fired both of them

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    Bill O'Brien still employed

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    Bill O'Brien still employed
    Yeah. The McNair family is all about their oil businesses

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    I like Crane a lot since first took over

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    There's no way Hinch and Luhnow would have been able to come back in 2021 and not be tarnished. Crane mentioned a "clean slate" maybe implying more house cleaning. Haven't looked into what managers are available but I wonder who would be a decent replacement.

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    Crane supposedly showed Manfred evidence of the Yankees doing the same

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    Red Sox might as well retroactively fire Cora and start looking for a new manager now.

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    AJ Hinch is no big loss, but Luhnow could be a huge loss. Luckily they have young talent so it shouldn't hurt them short term.

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    Pathetically soft *punishment*.
    Corporate MLB in spin mode.

    Everything tainted, including bloated players stats which led to fat new contracts.
    Losing team(s) totally burned. Players who may have beaten Stros and Red Sox were laid with Ls instead.

    When I watched Springer hit the game winning HR vs Yankees it was like he absolutely knew curveball was coming. Now we know, he did.
    No reason to believe these sticks were not using it their entire 100+ win seasons.

    5 million to a team that profited how many dollars by their cheating?

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    $5 million was the maximum the MLB could fine. The draft picks are also huge for a team that needs to rely on its farm system. And spring training is a little over a month away and they have no GM or manager. I'd say that's a pretty big deal.

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    Rangers > Cheatros

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    Cheatstros has a better ring to it imo

    i know how unprecedented it would be but honestly the MLB should consider vacating the Astros and Red Sox WS les. From what I’ve read about this it’s pretty bad.

    The way the 2018 Red Sox were flukishly good at situational baseball makes me think they were even worse than Houston, not to mention the fact Houston stayed good after their cheating season while the Red Sox overperformed in 2018 and then fell back to earth.

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    Harsh punishment.
    1 year ban OK. Firing is too hard.

    Maybe make the owner sell the team? Prolly not.

    Yanks and red socks need the same treatment.

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    Cheatstros has a better ring to it imo

    i know how unprecedented it would be but honestly the MLB should consider vacating the Astros and Red Sox WS les. From what Iíve read about this itís pretty bad.

    The way the 2018 Red Sox were flukishly good at situational baseball makes me think they were even worse than Houston, not to mention the fact Houston stayed good after their cheating season while the Red Sox overperformed in 2018 and then fell back to earth.
    I agree the Astros need their 2017 championship vacated and if the Red Sox investigation is as egregious as what we had with the Astros they need to vacate their championship as well.

    Cora, like I said being linked to two cheating teams is going to get banned from baseball, period.

    To your point that the Red Sox fell off after 2018, itís not that odd when you consider how theyíve done in the past after they won a ring. Red Sox performance drop off the following year is pretty bad. 2014 and 2019 comes to mind.

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    I agree the Astros need their 2017 championship vacated and if the Red Sox investigation is as egregious as what we had with the Astros they need to vacate their championship as well.

    Cora, like I said being linked to two cheating teams is going to get banned from baseball, period.

    To your point that the Red Sox fell off after 2018, it’s not that odd when you consider how they’ve done in the past after they won a ring. Red Sox performance drop off the following year is pretty bad. 2014 and 2019 comes to mind.
    Their falling off isn’t as alarming as how good they were at situational baseball in 2018 imo, it was a complete anomaly. I remember watching playoff games thinking Cora was god the way he’d throw a pinch hitter in there who’d end up driving in multiple runs. It would make sense that they were stealing signals throughout the game and by the 7th or 8th inning were able to easily predict what pitch was coming.

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    Rangers > Cheatros
    Yeah. Sitting with 2 World Series losses down to the last strike is much better

    Iíll take the chip.

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    Cheatstros has a better ring to it imo

    i know how unprecedented it would be but honestly the MLB should consider vacating the Astros and Red Sox WS les. From what Iíve read about this itís pretty bad.

    The way the 2018 Red Sox were flukishly good at situational baseball makes me think they were even worse than Houston, not to mention the fact Houston stayed good after their cheating season while the Red Sox overperformed in 2018 and then fell back to earth.
    Canít vacate something that you canít quantify the effect of what happened.

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    Patriots les not vacated and didn’t they use cameras?
    I wouldn’t be against vacating the Patriots 2007 week 1 win against the Jets.

    No evidence that they had a compe ive advantage in any other game beyond that.

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    I wouldnít be against vacating the Patriots 2007 week 1 win against the Jets.

    No evidence that they had a compe ive advantage in any other game beyond that.
    So you do you quantify if stealing signs helped or didnít in the WS?

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