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    You really shouldn't be pointing fingers and calling other people delusional when you have faith in an invisible man in the sky, tbh... at the very least, it's irrational, which is the very definition of delusion.
    Ah there it is... the “you can’t be considered an intellectual unless you also give up your faith-based beliefs” argument.

    The straw man is a fallacy in which an opponent's argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be more easily attacked or refuted. The technique often takes quotes out of context or, more often, incorrectly paraphrases or summarizes an opponent's position. Then after "defeating" the position, the attacker claims to have beaten the real thing.
    What was said:
    "Faith is a form of delusion"

    The distortion:
    "You're saying I can't be an intellectual because of my faith based beliefs."

    Intellectuals can be deluded. You are deluded, if you believe something that is not true, is. Whether or not you are an intellectual, well...

    I am on the fence as to whether some god thing may exist or not. I don't see any good evidence to think so. I am, though, pretty certain that Bible God is fiction. The logical paradoxes alone are enough to put an end to that for me. You are deluded on that basis. You think something that is not real, i.e. Bible God, is real. The definition of delusion.

    I would say though: You can't really be an intellectual if you can't construct a logical argument, or really all that honest about others' positions.

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    No, that's really ridiculous tbh, but religious conservatives can't seem to be truly happy unless they feel persecuted.
    7 killed, 14 tortured in Panama exorcism terror rituals
    PANAMA CITY (AP) — Seven people were killed in a bizarre religious ritual in a jungle community in Panama, in which indigenous residents were rounded up by about 10 lay preachers and tortured, beaten, burned and hacked with machetes to make them "repent their sins,” authorities said Thursday.

    Police freed 14 members of the Ngabé Buglé indigenous group who had been tied up and beaten with wooden cudgels and Bibles.
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...r-14980525.php

    Barbaric torture of 83 children branded witches:...
    Officials suspect grotesque acts continue to thrive behind closed doors, fuelled by a toxic combination of extreme evangelical Christianity and traditional beliefs.

    In some of the most serious cases police suspect children may have been sent to their native countries where they face torture, sexual abuse and even murder.

    Scotland Yard is overhauling its specialist religious and cultural abuse unit, Project Violet, to better focus on the dark practices.
    Scotland Yard has investigated 83 ritualistic or faith-based abuse cases in the last 10 years
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-beliefs.html

    They do know what persecution is. Gotta give them that. They just suck at identifying who is doing the persecution.

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    He didn't say he knew how to use tat machines either, moron. Go play in the sand with derp.
    who asked for your opinion you ing ?

    So you are a higher IQ person and I am an idiot for not knowing anything about tattoos.
    i never said anything of the sort. i simply am pointing out the ridiculousness of challenging others to some stupid ass intellectual game of "prove this or that to me". it's childish.

    The end game for leftist thought is fairly clear to me. You all ultimately want control of the government to force people to believe as you do because that type of society makes sense to you. Unfortunately for your cause, there are millions of Americans that will not bow down to that ideology and will not relinquish the freedom to raise their families as they see fit.
    here here!!

    I JUST DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS PLACE ERGO THEREFORE SUCH AS MY HOME SCHOOL HONOR ROLL KIDS BIBLE TIME PHYSICS /TEXTWALL
    ^ that's what a pathetic "male" looks like. blaKKKe is nothing more than a s of a man who has a constant need for attention. he's a .

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    Joey is so sensitive

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    I HAVE A CONSTANT NEED FOR ATTENTION!

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    ooh Fun with algebra. Challenge accepted. (copies, prints problem for weekend, sets alarm as reminder)
    Get a life bro

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    Radio Host With Ties to Trump Campaign Suggests

    Charging Security Barricades at Richmond Gun Rally:

    ‘What Are They Going to Do?’





    John Fredericks, an influential Virginia radio host connected to President Donald Trump’s campaign,

    joined former Milwaukee sheriff David Clarke Jr.

    in suggesting that the thousands of people expected to descend on Richmond, Virginia, for a contentious pro-gun rally Monday

    should charge through the police lines securing the capitol against credible threats of extremist violence.

    https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...ampaign=bestof

    They should do it, and get slaughtered by the cops

    Racist gun fellators pissing on blacks' historic hero.




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    What was said:
    "Faith is a form of delusion"

    The distortion:
    "You're saying I can't be an intellectual because of my faith based beliefs."

    Intellectuals can be deluded. You are deluded, if you believe something that is not true, is. Whether or not you are an intellectual, well...

    I am on the fence as to whether some god thing may exist or not. I don't see any good evidence to think so. I am, though, pretty certain that Bible God is fiction. The logical paradoxes alone are enough to put an end to that for me. You are deluded on that basis. You think something that is not real, i.e. Bible God, is real. The definition of delusion.

    I would say though: You can't really be an intellectual if you can't construct a logical argument, or really all that honest about others' positions.
    Assumptions go both ways. Your logical fallacy here is that you have isolated my rebuttal to ElNono's post as representing a singular position on this issue. Your attempt to dissect my statement in that vacuum therefore is very flawed. Your added attempt to suggest that my logical constructs cannot be made in the context of our previous conversations is also flawed. There are a volume of posts between you and I and ElNono and I that go back more than a decade (spanning almost 15 years). This arrogant smugness and constant need to establish your intellectual superiority is consistent within the full context of those conversations however. I believe in GOD and you all don't. Great! Let's move on.
    I also see that you decided to ignore my overall plea towards centrism - completely eliminating it from your selection in fact. It would appear that you don't want to agree on anything with conservatives.

    The question (and I'll leave it as simple as possible - since Blake and Chump seem to have rage fits anytime they see some arbitrary threshold of words on my replies):

    Do you believe that violent instigators be they 'leftists/Marxists" or "alt-rights" should be investigated to ensure public safety? Yes or No? Both sides have them. Do you agree with that statement?

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    Assumptions go both ways. Your logical fallacy here is that you have isolated my rebuttal to ElNono's post as representing a singular position on this issue. Your attempt to dissect my statement in that vacuum therefore is very flawed. Your added attempt to suggest that my logical constructs cannot be made in the context of our previous conversations is also flawed. There are a volume of posts between you and I and ElNono and I that go back more than a decade (spanning almost 15 years). This arrogant smugness and constant need to establish your intellectual superiority is consistent within the full context of those conversations however. I believe in GOD and you all don't. Great! Let's move on.
    I also see that you decided to ignore my overall plea towards centrism - completely eliminating it from your selection in fact. It would appear that you don't want to agree on anything with conservatives.

    The question (and I'll leave it as simple as possible - since Blake and Chump seem to have rage fits anytime they see some arbitrary threshold of words on my replies):

    Do you believe that violent instigators be they 'leftists/Marxists" or "alt-rights" should be investigated to ensure public safety? Yes or No? Both sides have them. Do you agree with that statement?
    Who here has disagreed with that statement?

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    Who here has disagreed with that statement?
    Not an answer and he wasn't asking you.

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    Not an answer and he wasn't asking you.
    forum cop

    Who here has even hinted at a differing viewpoint?

    I'll say it's a pretty stupid question trying to stir a controversy that doesn't even exist.

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    Not an answer and he wasn't asking you.

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    Now I'm replying to you.

    Time for you to have a meltdown about it.

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    Who here has disagreed with that statement?
    Phenom's question is a false equivalence.

    His side, white male Christian anti-democratic supremacists, attacks non-whites, non-males, non-Christians

    While the other side attacks his side.

    no equivalence.

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    forum cop

    Who here has even hinted at a differing viewpoint?

    I'll say it's a pretty stupid question trying to stir a controversy that doesn't even exist.
    That's fine. He wasn't talking to you.

    I did notice you still didn't answer the question.

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    that got Dumpster keeps trying to get my attention just like the attention that he/she/it is. months and months have passed now since i last went back and forth with that dip . good riddance got!

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    Phenom's question is a false equivalence.

    His side, white male Christian anti-democratic supremacists, attacks non-whites, non-males, non-Christians

    While the other side attacks his side.

    no equivalence.
    whatever whitey

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    That's fine. He wasn't talking to you.

    I did notice you still didn't answer the question.
    The answer is implicit. Are you smart enough to figure it out?

    I did notice you regularly don't answer questions directly asked of you. Now you're ing about it.

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    that got Dumpster keeps trying to get my attention just like the attention that he/she/it is. months and months have passed now since i last went back and forth with that dip . good riddance got!
    there's that meltdown.

    So easy....

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    No... lol more red herring ad hominems.

    I have a 12 year old taking differential calculus and heat transfer and thermodynamics. I have a 10 year old taking physics and a 7 year old that can already play 7 different musical instruments. After work I use two hours of my day to homeschool them on these subjects. So yeah, sorry but not sorry to give them priority over the petty vitriol I get from forum members here. I’m much too busy empowering them with the same type of job skills that have placed me in the upper middle class DESPITE a stupid narrative from Marxist politicians suggesting that “the boogeyman; aka white man and his privileged systems” are designed to keep brown-skinned migrants such as myself from excelling in this nation. Everyone in my family OWNS their own house on account of hard work and good life-decisions made by my conservative parents despite my father earning minimum pay during the formative years of my life. My life experience is an everyday reminder that unequivocally counters the narratives trumpeted by your likeminded ”progressive” demagogues. I’m an American patriot even while I still love Mexico, its food, its people, its cultural history, its music, its women, its art, its architecture and its vistas. I get lambasted by folks like you all simply because I’m not a fan of my birth nation’s leftist/socialist government - which surprise surprise is largely to blame for creating the exodus migration that has been incurred by the US over the last 8 decades.

    But you all are so self-absorbed in this delusion that you are unable to see that you all largely believe a lie.
    And then you proceed to lie.
    We are self absorbed but he is more than willing to spew garbage he can’t back.
    If I came up with the above and proceeded to criticize Trump koriwut gives birth to a cow.
    The amount of misrepresentation and flat out lying, this what Trump has made acceptable to the Trump s. Far right Koriwhat claiming far left attack when liars are ferreted out. The far left goes after liars, wow that’s sad.

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    Assumptions go both ways. Your logical fallacy here is that you have isolated my rebuttal to ElNono's post as representing a singular position on this issue. Your attempt to dissect my statement in that vacuum therefore is very flawed. Your added attempt to suggest that my logical constructs cannot be made in the context of our previous conversations is also flawed. There are a volume of posts between you and I and ElNono and I that go back more than a decade (spanning almost 15 years). This arrogant smugness and constant need to establish your intellectual superiority is consistent within the full context of those conversations however. I believe in GOD and you all don't. Great! Let's move on.
    I also see that you decided to ignore my overall plea towards centrism - completely eliminating it from your selection in fact. It would appear that you don't want to agree on anything with conservatives.

    The question (and I'll leave it as simple as possible - since Blake and Chump seem to have rage fits anytime they see some arbitrary threshold of words on my replies):

    Do you believe that violent instigators be they 'leftists/Marxists" or "alt-rights" should be investigated to ensure public safety? Yes or No? Both sides have them. Do you agree with that statement?
    I'LL ASK A QUESTION NOBODY DISAGREES WITH ULTIMATELY LEADING TO AN ILLOGICAL CONCLUSION THAT I'LL ABANDON USING MY DICTION TECHNOLOGY FROM MY PHONE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS ERGO THEREFORE QUID PRO QUO HOME SCHOOL CALCULUS AND 10 YEAR OLD NEEDS HELP WITH ADVANCED THERMONUCLEAR PHYSICS PROBLEMS. NO TIME AT ALL FOR THIS /TEXTWALL

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    And then you proceed to lie.
    We are self absorbed but he is more than willing to spew garbage he can’t back.
    If I came up with the above and proceeded to criticize Trump koriwut gives birth to a cow.
    The amount of misrepresentation and flat out lying, this what Trump has made acceptable to the Trump s. Far right Koriwhat claiming far left attack when liars are ferreted out. The far left goes after liars, wow that’s sad.
    I've had people in this forum attack my livelihood by attempting to get me fired from my job. What did I do to earn such retaliatory and infantile threats? I hold views that are diametrically opposed to theirs. Those positions got under their skin to the point where they wanted to inflict personal and very real damage to me and my family. It was at that point that I decided to back away from my political forum participation.

    The compulsory need to inflict harm on others is sick. It's deranged. And no one here even batted an eye to repudiate this forum member's behavior.

    The "incident" largely stemmed from serious missteps on my part which revealed too much personal information about myself - a mistake that I will not repeat again no matter how much you bait me. I also largely underestimated the vitriolic hatred of leftists such as yourself towards people that hold my particular ideologies. Boutons constantly talks about his hatred towards Christians and people here just shrug it off as "cuckoo basement banter". I pointed out how the Bernie staffer was talking about dragging MSNBC people out of their offices and setting them on fire when he said that Milwaukee will burn and your crew largely shrugged it off as well. Chump facetiously proceeded to ask why "I am so afraid of him [the staffer]" (paraphrasing). I'm not. I'm more afraid of the nuts in here! Some of you all are one 'bad election result' shy of losing it. So no, I don't have to oblige your petty requests to prove anything to you. Again, who made you the judge or arbiter over me...? I don't have to do ANYTHING to appease you or to amuse you.

    Why is my life experience even tied to any of these rebuttals...? It pisses you all off to see success in others that don't obtain it via the clichéd "corporative/capitalist theft" system. My family were immigrants from Mexico. We came here with only the clothes on our backs. I was only 8. I managed to learn English, excel in school, attended the most prestigious university in the world, obtained several degrees before the age of 20 and I now excel at my profession. I have a couple of patents that give me royalties to boot. The rest of my family (siblings) are also professionals and successful.

    Again, the American Dream is alive and well. Success comes to those that work for it. IF I encountered racist peeps along the way, I ignored them. If my sister encountered sexist peeps along the way, she ignored them. We are where we are at because we live on the greatest nation on earth. This nation provides ample opportunity towards upward mobility and it is there for the taking to all those that work hard to achieve their goals. Your crew desperately wants to undermine those opportunities in an attempt to suggest that 'boogeymen' and 'the man' want to keep them down. People conveniently buy that drivel because it empowers them to believe that their cir stances are not a product of their own decisions. The Marxist narrative that your politicians constantly promote and feed you is a lie. The mainstream media conglomerate is the talking piece that keeps you blinded from really understanding who controls this world.

    Government is a necessary tool of leftist ideology. There's a problem? Let the government fix it. The problem is that "too strong of a government" is the worst problem of all.

    In conservative ideology PEOPLE are the agent of change. There's a problem? People need to be held accountable for their own actions and enact change on themselves to solve the problem.

    That is one of the broader differences.

    RandomGuy ranting about this and that doesn't change anything. His futile snarkiness only reflects his own insecurities. It's both comical and tragic to see that he and others here purport to derive self-importance from a place such as this. That's a secondary reason why I decided to "step away" from this subforum, because I was being goaded into that very dynamic myself. It's not something that people are even consciously aware of. People demanding this, demanding that, "answer my question", "why are your ignoring my comment" - the dynamic is all too petty. In fact, the implicit result of you slapping some random physics question on the table is very self-serving. It implies that you appointed yourself as the judge. It's comical when you think about it. But that's just it. You're so pissed off at what I may or may not be teaching my kids? Why would you care..? You don't care about them. Your question was always about YOU and not about my claim.

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    Who threatened your job, Phenomanul?

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    Who threatened your job, Phenomanul?
    At the time I was in discussions with two forum members over the implications of the use of imaginary numbers in the "grand unified theory" as a means to negate the observable truth that time started at some point in the past at t = 0… it's a tactic employed by Stephen Hawking to avoid adopting a position that essentially mirrors the long standing belief held by Deists everywhere that acknowledges that a Creator originated what we now call the "big bang". The implication being that the universe had a beginning. One can't traverse an infinite past to arrive at the present. The whole point of that discussion was to get him to agree that the views that he personally adopted to toss out the belief in a Creator were largely based on mathematical sleights of hand that had no real bearing in the physical world. Belief in multiverses or other theories that attempt to subvert the implications of t = 0 require faith, because they fall outside of the testable realm of the scientific method.

    Anyway, I have a hunch on who it was, because that discussion dragged on for weeks and he was visibly irritated.

    Next thing I know I get a comical email from my manager telling me that someone had sent an email to our HR manager complaining that I was "spending too much company time on an internet forum". My manager largely shrugged it off because I basically told him I would "produce just the same" if I came to the office for two hours or twelve. She agreed. To this day I have complete autonomy over the use of my time. The matter was very serious either way because this person tried to inflict harm on me and my family. His actions crossed a line.

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    At the time I was in discussions with two forum members over the implications of the use of imaginary numbers in the "grand unified theory" as a means to negate the observable truth that time started at some point in the past at t = 0… it's a tactic employed by Stephen Hawking to avoid adopting a position that essentially mirrors the long standing belief held by Deists everywhere that acknowledges that a Creator originated what we now call the "big bang". The implication being that the universe had a beginning. One can't traverse an infinite past to arrive at the present. The whole point of that discussion was to get him to agree that the views that he personally adopted to toss out the belief in a Creator were largely based on mathematical sleights of hand that had no real bearing in the physical world. Belief in multiverses or other theories that attempt to subvert the implications of t = 0 require faith, because they fall outside of the testable realm of the scientific method.

    Anyway, I have a hunch on who it was, because that discussion dragged on for weeks and he was visibly irritated.

    Next thing I know I get a comical email from my manager telling me that someone had sent an email to our HR manager complaining that I was "spending too much company time on an internet forum". My manager largely shrugged it off because I basically told him I would "produce just the same" if I came to the office for two hours or twelve. She agreed. To this day I have complete autonomy over the use of my time. The matter was very serious either way because this person tried to inflict harm on me and my family. His actions crossed a line.
    So, your spidey-sense tingled and that's that?

    Couldn't have been a jealous co-worker who maybe, saw you surfing/posting at work?

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