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    to be fair, the Biden Administration is leading the charge to reopen schools and recently told us to throw our masks away if we were vaccinated.

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    to be fair, the Biden Administration is leading the charge to reopen schools and recently told us to throw our masks away if we were vaccinated.
    far cry from Cruz's claim and underlying implication

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    it's still more or less simple-minded to post a handful of links and tweets and call it "the science."
    I didn't call those tweets "the science". Those were direct rebuttals on mask compliance to the "science" you posted.

    "Only one observational study has directly analyzed the impact of mask use in the community on COVID-19 transmission. The study looked at the reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Beijing households by face mask use (10). It found that face masks were 79% effective in preventing transmission, if they were used by all household members prior to symptoms occurring. The study did not look at the relative risk of different types of mask.

    In a systematic review sponsored by the World Health Organization, Chu et al. (11) looked at physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They found that “face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection.” However, the review included only three studies of mask use outside health care settings, all of which were of SARS, not of SARS-CoV-2, one of which was incorrectly categorized (it occurred in a hospital, but during family and friend visits), and one of which found that none of the households wearing masks had any infections, but was too underpowered to draw any conclusions (12). The remaining study found the use of masks was strongly protective, with a risk reduction of 70% for those that always wore a mask when going out (13), but it did not look at the impact of masks on transmission from the wearer. It is not known to what degree analysis of other coronaviruses can be applied to SARS-CoV-2. None of the studies looked at the relative risks of different types of mask.

    There has been one controlled trial of mask use for influenza control in the general community (14). The study looked at Australian households, was not done during a pandemic, and was done without any enforcement of compliance. It found that “in an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness.” However, the authors noted that they “found compliance to be low, but compliance is affected by perception of risk. In a pandemic, we would expect compliance to improve.” In compliant users, masks were highly effective at reducing transmission.

    Overall, evidence from RCTs and observational studies is informative, but not compelling on its own. Both the Australian influenza RCT and the Beijing households observational trial found around 80% efficacy among compliant subjects, and the one SARS household study of sufficient power found 70% efficacy for protecting the wearer. However, we do not know whether the results from influenza or SARS will correspond to results for SARS-CoV-2, and the single observational study of SARS-CoV-2 might not be replicated in other communities. None of the studies looked specifically at cloth masks."


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    far cry from Cruz's claim and underlying implication
    I agree with that more or less.

    Interest in COVID didn't dissipate instantly like Cruz and DMC predicted, but the Biden Administration's COVID policy has propaganda/politicized dimensions. The CDC telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks looks hasty and/or politically motivated.

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    Austin declared stage 4 COVID restrictions today

    “These alarming numbers place us officially in stage 4 on our risk-based chart, less than a week after moving to stage 3,” Walkes said. “We are asking Austinites and community members in Travis County to take action. This is a call to action.”

    Under stage 4, health officials recommend vaccinated people wear masks:


    • At private indoor and outdoor gatherings
    • While traveling
    • While dining and shopping

    They recommend unvaccinated people:

    • Avoid private indoor and outdoor gatherings
    • Travel only if it's essential (with masks)
    • Dine and shop only if it’s essential (with masks)

    As of now, Travis County has a seven-day average of 148 new COVID-19 cases per day. It's a dramatic increase from the start of July, when that number was 34.
    That e has also been reflected in hospitalizations. About 35 people in the five-county region on average are being hospitalized with COVID per day. It was 8 per day at the start of the month.
    https://www.kut.org/covid-19/2021-07...e-4-guidelines

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    I agree with that more or less.

    Interest in COVID didn't dissipate instantly like Cruz and DMC predicted, but the Biden Administration's COVID policy has propaganda/politicized dimensions. The CDC telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks looks hasty and/or politically motivated.
    agreed. thought it was premature at the time given the actual vaccination rate

    the most brazen part of that was the obvious that unvaxxed people were going to stop wearing masks, too, since everyone just goes by the honor code

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    I agree with that more or less.

    Interest in COVID didn't dissipate instantly like Cruz and DMC predicted, but the Biden Administration's COVID policy has propaganda/politicized dimensions. The CDC telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks looks hasty and/or politically motivated.
    CDC bad now

    Did it ever cross your mind that after a year and a half of gathering data on mask use in countries with significantly higher mask compliance (90%+) and seeing no benefit that the CDC is realizing masks are pretty pointless?

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    CDC bad now

    Did it ever cross your mind that after a year and a half of gathering data on mask use in countries with significantly higher mask compliance (90%+) and seeing no benefit that the CDC is realizing masks are pretty pointless?
    are you still on the HCQ hype train or have you moved off of that one? just curious

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    another ing slave state killing itself and visitors for 'freedumb'

    hokey Branson mayor’s ‘reckless idiocy’ helped turn Missouri into a COVID-19 superspreader hotspot



    Branson currently has a

    COVID infection rate of 19.3 percent
    , and

    the number of daily new cases there is 10 times the national average.

    The local hospital's ICU unit is at 99 percent capacity, and experts say the current outbreak has not reached its peak.


    But Mayor Larry Milton, who was elected in April, has continued to rail against masks and vaccines, and hosted a gathering of 27,000 for the Fourth of July.

    "First, let me state clearly and for the record: I will not support another government mask mandate, nor will I support a vaccine mandate,"

    "I didn't talk about freedom and liberty

    during my campaign for Mayor simply as a way to get elected. "

    https://www.rawstory.com/superspreader

    Freedumb as suicide




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    are you still on the HCQ hype train or have you moved off of that one? just curious
    I'm not currently on any hype train. Vaccines are working well so that's good to see. I'm currently waiting to see which vaccine proves most effective over time before I decide on getting one. Full FDA approval of one would be convincing enough for me to get one and that doesn't seem far off. There is a chance I already had Covid back in Jan 2020. Had to go to the doctor after being really sick for days and needed fluids through an IV and was given Z-pak. Haven't had an antibody test yet so no clue if it was Covid or not. If it wasn't Covid then I've gone a great job avoiding it by just washing my hands, not touching my face, and avoiding indoor crowds of people I don't know. I wish I'd have just had it already to get the benefits of natural immunity but I've continued to be cautious with my wife pregnant with our second.

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    agreed. thought it was premature at the time given the actual vaccination rate

    the most brazen part of that was the obvious that unvaxxed people were going to stop wearing masks, too, since everyone just goes by the honor code
    You still on the mask hype train? Just curious.

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    CDC bad now

    Did it ever cross your mind that after a year and a half of gathering data on mask use in countries with significantly higher mask compliance (90%+) and seeing no benefit that the CDC is realizing masks are pretty pointless?
    I never was a CDC dittohead and I don't see things your way.

    That doesn't necessarily make you right or me wrong.

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    I'm not currently on any hype train. Vaccines are working well so that's good to see. I'm currently waiting to see which vaccine proves most effective over time before I decide on getting one. Full FDA approval of one would be convincing enough for me to get one and that doesn't seem far off. There is a chance I already had Covid back in Jan 2020. Had to go to the doctor after being really sick for days and needed fluids through an IV and was given Z-pak. Haven't had an antibody test yet so no clue if it was Covid or not. If it wasn't Covid then I've gone a great job avoiding it by just washing my hands, not touching my face, and avoiding indoor crowds of people I don't know. I wish I'd have just had it already to get the benefits of natural immunity but I've continued to be cautious with my wife pregnant with our second.
    but do you think HCQ is an effective treatment/cure for COVID-19?

    you were pushing that quite a bit before

    You still on the mask hype train? Just curious.
    yeah, i still think masks do what they're intended to do. they are good short term options until we reach herd immunity, which vaccines are getting us closer and closer to

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    but do you think HCQ is an effective treatment/cure for COVID-19?

    you were pushing that quite a bit before
    Haven't looked into it for quite some time...no clue.


    yeah, i still think masks do what they're intended to do. they are good short term options until we reach herd immunity, which vaccines are getting us closer and closer to
    How can you look at this data and believe masks are doing what they are intended to do?













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    I never was a CDC dittohead and I don't see things your way.

    That doesn't necessarily make you right or me wrong.
    How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?

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    I never was a CDC dittohead and I don't see things your way.

    That doesn't necessarily make you right or me wrong.
    How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?

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    You still on the mask hype train? Just curious.
    Cost/benefit analysis.

    Some modest evidence that they lower transmission.

    What is the giant cost you are looking to avoid?

    What is the harm?

    Define and quantify.

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    How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?
    You posted graphs, there's no data there, just data representations.

    That said, I'd have to look a bit more closely at each study to evaluate, have you referred yourself to all the underlying studies, or are you just parroting someone else's take on them?

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    snap take: taking countries singly and not comparatively looks like a weakness

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    Cost/benefit analysis.

    Some modest evidence that they lower transmission.

    What is the giant cost you are looking to avoid?

    What is the harm?

    Define and quantify.
    False sense of security. People who should be at home sick are out spreading it because they think they can't spread it with a mask on. People who think they are safe from getting it because of their mask are gathering in crowded indoor venues where it's known to spread much easier.

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    You posted graphs, there's no data there, just data representations.

    That said, I'd have to look a bit more closely at each study to evaluate, have you referred yourself to all the underlying studies, or are you just parroting someone else's take on them?
    I'm not sure what underlying studies you are referring to. They are just data points.

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    I'm not sure what underlying studies you are referring to. They are just data points.
    If that's the case, my snap take is that data points do not provide a strong enough correlation to generalize. Generalizing from isolated data points isn't scientific method, it's just inductive reasoning.

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    viruses do not respect international boundaries. so long as any country is vulnerable to runaway infection, we all are. without international cooperation regarding vaccination, it's doubtful COVID can be beaten in any country.

    that dumbass, delta came from India who had the opportunity to get vaccinated but punted for hubris and got ed for it, they in turn ed all of us

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    viruses do not respect international boundaries. so long as any country is vulnerable to runaway infection, we all are. without international cooperation regarding vaccination, it's doubtful COVID can be beaten in any country.

    that dumbass, delta came from India who had the opportunity to get vaccinated but punted for hubris and got ed for it, they in turn ed all of us

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