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    She is a huge shepig

    Probably catch a DC stray bullet.easily with those dimensions
    I don't care, hater, I'd still like to have her sit upon my face, especially when she's wearing that bright red lipstick.

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    It really has nothing to do with CFR. Back in the early days of vaccination, people were generally more distrustful than today since vaccines didn't really exist before that time, so there was no frame of reference, and understanding the science behind it was (and it still can be for the average joe) hard.

    In the case of TB and Polio, there were also incidents with contaminated vaccines which further eroded confidence at the time.

    At this point in time though, with a track record of over 100 years, the risk/reward ratio, process, effectiveness, etc is well do ented and understood.

    Even relatively-new tech like mRNA is merely an innovation on the delivery mechanism to initiate the natural reaction, there is nothing new in how the immunization process works.

    Spreading FUD is the edgy thing du jour, unfortunately, and clearly has an audience.
    There is little reward for a young healthy person to get a covid vaccine

    And absolutely zero reward for them to get a booster

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    death is one data point, overtaxing hospitals is another.

    buckle up, sweetie


    Hospitalization rates are well below the last wave and will remain that way unless we are being lied to about vaccine efficacy. It's disingenuous to use ICU bed availability as the metric for overwhelming hospitals. ICU beds are too expensive to be kept available when they are not needed. It's demonstrated in your graph.

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    There is little reward for a young healthy person to get a covid vaccine

    And absolutely zero reward for them to get a booster
    That makes sense if the infection only affects them. But it doesn't, it also affects other people they come in contact with while infected, and also increases the possibility of mutation.

    As was explained in an articles posted here recently by Wino:

    I reached out to Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, to get his thoughts on whether antibiotic resistance and vaccine-associated immune escape are indeed comparable. “In a sense it is, but he misses the main point,” Dr. Offit told me. A vaccine shows your body an inert part of the virus so that it can make neutralizing antibodies against it. If the body ends up making low levels of these antibodies, i.e. not enough to swiftly kill the virus when you catch it, this could allow the virus to stick around in your body for a little bit and make copies of itself. Some of these copies may by chance have the right kinds of errors in their genetic code to become variants of concern, although the mutation rate of this coronavirus is quite low.

    “But if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that’s not a way to create variants,” he continued. To use an analogy, if a gaggle of invaders is coming but you have only managed to round up a few soldiers, be prepared for a long siege during which the enemy might learn a thing or two about your defences and adapt. But if you have a full and overpowering army at your command, the invaders won’t stick around for long.


    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/co...vanden-bossche

    In other words, if your body has the antibodies ready, the virus simply has a shorter lifespan and thus less chance to mutate.

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    That makes sense if the infection only affects them. But it doesn't, it also affects other people they come in contact with while infected, and also increases the possibility of mutation.

    As was explained in an articles posted here recently by Wino:

    I reached out to Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, to get his thoughts on whether antibiotic resistance and vaccine-associated immune escape are indeed comparable. “In a sense it is, but he misses the main point,” Dr. Offit told me. A vaccine shows your body an inert part of the virus so that it can make neutralizing antibodies against it. If the body ends up making low levels of these antibodies, i.e. not enough to swiftly kill the virus when you catch it, this could allow the virus to stick around in your body for a little bit and make copies of itself. Some of these copies may by chance have the right kinds of errors in their genetic code to become variants of concern, although the mutation rate of this coronavirus is quite low.

    “But if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that’s not a way to create variants,” he continued. To use an analogy, if a gaggle of invaders is coming but you have only managed to round up a few soldiers, be prepared for a long siege during which the enemy might learn a thing or two about your defences and adapt. But if you have a full and overpowering army at your command, the invaders won’t stick around for long.


    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/co...vanden-bossche

    In other words, if your body has the antibodies ready, the virus simply has a shorter lifespan and thus less chance to mutate.
    We have 6 billion ppl unvacccinated and that will remain for some years.

    Some american thinking that mutations will stop because they get a shot is silly. Also there is no evidence that vaxed dont create mutations. There is a new study CNN showed today that says a highly vaxed population will actually make the stronger mutations more prevalent.

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    There is little reward for a young healthy person to get a covid vaccine

    And absolutely zero reward for them to get a booster
    Bunch of bull misinformation. My brother is young and in ridiculously good health (when we go hiking up in the mountains at 10,000 feet he looks like it's about as tough for him as walking the dog) and had a case of COVID that knocked him on his ass for two weeks and took three months for his lungs to recover from.

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    Bunch of bull misinformation. My brother is young and in ridiculously good health (when we go hiking up in the mountains at 10,000 feet he looks like it's about as tough for him as walking the dog) and had a case of COVID that knocked him on his ass for two weeks and took three months for his lungs to recover from.
    And hes fine now right? Any medical conditions or smoking?

    He also has natural immunity now. Good for him

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    And hes fine now right? Any medical conditions or smoking?

    He also has natural immunity now. Good for him
    off dumbass. No smoking, no health issues, has not an ounce of fat on him. Pretty sure he's not very happy about having to blow a bunch of money going to specialists to find what the was wrong with his lungs for three months.

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    That makes sense if the infection only affects them. But it doesn't, it also affects other people they come in contact with while infected, and also increases the possibility of mutation.

    As was explained in an articles posted here recently by Wino:

    I reached out to Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, to get his thoughts on whether antibiotic resistance and vaccine-associated immune escape are indeed comparable. “In a sense it is, but he misses the main point,” Dr. Offit told me. A vaccine shows your body an inert part of the virus so that it can make neutralizing antibodies against it. If the body ends up making low levels of these antibodies, i.e. not enough to swiftly kill the virus when you catch it, this could allow the virus to stick around in your body for a little bit and make copies of itself. Some of these copies may by chance have the right kinds of errors in their genetic code to become variants of concern, although the mutation rate of this coronavirus is quite low.

    “But if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that’s not a way to create variants,” he continued. To use an analogy, if a gaggle of invaders is coming but you have only managed to round up a few soldiers, be prepared for a long siege during which the enemy might learn a thing or two about your defences and adapt. But if you have a full and overpowering army at your command, the invaders won’t stick around for long.


    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/co...vanden-bossche

    In other words, if your body has the antibodies ready, the virus simply has a shorter lifespan and thus less chance to mutate.
    I really like Offit, he's certainly the best out there at explaining vaccines but he's off base on this. It doesn't matter if we get a 100% vaccination rate, evolution will continue. In order to stop future variants we'll need to lockdown the country and stop all spread. Then stay isolated from the world until the virus is eliminated in all humans and animal reservoirs...canines, felines, mustelids, mice to name a few.

    I know his intentions are to convince people to get vaccinated but I think it would be better to just tell them the truth. My wife is batting around 85% convincing her vaccine skeptic pts to get vaccinated by telling them the truth instead of twisting the truth like Offit is doing.

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    I really like Offit, he's certainly the best out there at explaining vaccines but he's off base on this. It doesn't matter if we get a 100% vaccination rate, evolution will continue. In order to stop future variants we'll need to lockdown the country and stop all spread. Then stay isolated from the world until the virus is eliminated in all humans and animal reservoirs...canines, felines, mustelids, mice to name a few.

    I know his intentions are to convince people to get vaccinated but I think it would be better to just tell them the truth. My wife is batting around 85% convincing her vaccine skeptic pts to get vaccinated by telling them the truth instead of twisting the truth like Offit is doing.

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    off dumbass. No smoking, no health issues, has not an ounce of fat on him. Pretty sure he's not very happy about having to blow a bunch of money going to specialists to find what the was wrong with his lungs for three months.
    Glad hes doing better ma nig

    Nobody saying getting covid is a picnic

    I have no problem with anyone getting the vax or the boosters if they want to have less disease.

    I also opted to get the vax mainly to stop spreading that but thay was a lie. Still glad I got it for extra protection. But no way in I get a booster before turning 60

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    Glad hes doing better ma nig

    Nobody saying getting covid is a picnic

    I have no problem with anyone getting the vax or the boosters if they want to have less disease.
    You just were. gets annoying here seeing you posting misinformation for the LOLs.

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    We have 6 billion ppl unvacccinated and that will remain for some years.

    Some american thinking that mutations will stop because they get a shot is silly. Also there is no evidence that vaxed dont create mutations. There is a new study CNN showed today that says a highly vaxed population will actually make the stronger mutations more prevalent.
    I really like Offit, he's certainly the best out there at explaining vaccines but he's off base on this. It doesn't matter if we get a 100% vaccination rate, evolution will continue. In order to stop future variants we'll need to lockdown the country and stop all spread. Then stay isolated from the world until the virus is eliminated in all humans and animal reservoirs...canines, felines, mustelids, mice to name a few.

    I know his intentions are to convince people to get vaccinated but I think it would be better to just tell them the truth. My wife is batting around 85% convincing her vaccine skeptic pts to get vaccinated by telling them the truth instead of twisting the truth like Offit is doing.
    Offit didn't claim we will stop future variants. He's simply stating, and I don't see you refuting, that there's simply much less chance of new variants of note developing if people have suitable antibodies and the body can rid of the virus quicker.

    This isn't a novel concept, is not controversial, nor it implies that variants won't continue to show up, it simply states that how long it takes for new notable variants to show up are both a factor of the virus mutation rate in general, and vaccine effectiveness in creating antibodies.

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    You just were. gets annoying here seeing you posting misinformation for the LOLs.
    Um no

    I have gotten influenza which kicked my ass for 10 days. Also gotten throughout my life that put me in bed for days.

    Some friends have gotten pneumonia that almost killed them. Healthy ppl too.

    Diaseases are there. And covid is much more dangerous that the above. We still should have a choice if we want our body to fight it alone or not.

    The only advantage of the vax was that you were not going to infect.grandma, the kids, your dog. That fantasy just crumbled

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    Um no

    I have gotten influenza which kicked my ass for 10 days. Also gotten throughout my life that put me in bed for days.

    Some friends have gotten pneumonia that almost killed them. Healthy ppl too.

    Diaseases are there. And covid is much more dangerous that the above. We still should have a choice if we want our body to fight it alone or not.

    The only advantage of the vax was that you were not going to infect.grandma, the kids, your dog. That fantasy just crumbled
    The advantage of the vaccines is your immune system has seen the e proteins already for when you actually catch the virus. Your Trump act that you have said many times was just for the LOLs is annoying when discussing a virus that's going to kill a lot more Americans who buy into the same bull you post.

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    She is a huge shepig

    Probably catch a DC stray bullet.easily with those dimensions

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    The advantage of the vaccines is your immune system has seen the e proteins already for when you actually catch the virus. Your Trump act that you have said many times was just for the LOLs is annoying when discussing a virus that's going to kill a lot more Americans who buy into the same bull you post.
    Natural infection also gives you this advantage.

    Im glad I got the vaccine to automatically get this advantage. Kinda like starting Doom with the plasma rifle

    But the booster.subscription bull . thats a scam

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    Offit didn't claim we will stop future variants. He's simply stating, and I don't see you refuting, that there's simply much less chance of new variants of note developing if people have suitable antibodies and the body can rid of the virus quicker.

    This isn't a novel concept, is not controversial, nor it implies that variants won't continue to show up, it simply states that how long it takes for new notable variants to show up are both a factor of the virus mutation rate in general, and vaccine effectiveness in creating antibodies.
    Well I was disputing it by saying we would have to isolate ourselves from the world. It doesn't matter if our vaccines were 100% effective in stopping viral replication (which they are not) we still have much of the world getting ty sinopharm vaccines which apply just a little antibody pressure to the virus without stopping replication. That equals more variants.

    I was listening to Osterholm, who started this pandemic calling it like it is before his emotional breakdown, and he almost got it right by saying if you're unvaccinated this virus will find you eventually. What he should have said is this virus will find you, vaccinated or not, and when it does you might wish you were vaccinated but it'll be too late.

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    We have 6 billion ppl unvacccinated and that will remain for some years.

    Some american thinking that mutations will stop because they get a shot is silly. Also there is no evidence that vaxed dont create mutations. There is a new study CNN showed today that says a highly vaxed population will actually make the stronger mutations more prevalent.
    I don't know a single person that thinks mutations will stop, I certainly didn't make that argument.

    But it's not a all or nothing proposition. Having new notable variants show up every 3-6 months vs 5-10 years is a big ing deal. It affects from vaccines creation/tweaking to health services, to buying us time to treat the actual infection better.

    So I'm glad we're donating vaccines to other countries to try to get them vaccinated. It helps. Same thing with young people. It might not make much of a difference for themselves, but it does make a difference in the overall fight against the pandemic.

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    The CDC released that evidence on Friday. In a study of 469 cases of Covid-19 that broke out in the resort town of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, earlier this month, 74% occurred in “fully vaccinated persons.” Four out of five patients hospitalized were fully vaccinated, and on average the inoculated had completed their two rounds of doses only 86 days before infection.


    We got scammed

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    Well I was disputing it by saying we would have to isolate ourselves from the world. It doesn't matter if our vaccines were 100% effective in stopping viral replication (which they are not) we still have much of the world getting ty sinopharm vaccines which apply just a little antibody pressure to the virus without stopping replication. That equals more variants.

    I was listening to Osterholm, who started this pandemic calling it like it is before his emotional breakdown, and he almost got it right by saying if you're unvaccinated this virus will find you eventually. What he should have said is this virus will find you, vaccinated or not, and when it does you might wish you were vaccinated but it'll be too late.
    No, you were disputing it by saying we would need to lock down to stop variants period, which is not an argument Offit made.

    Of course it does matter how effective the vaccine is, and if sinopharm is , then we need to help provide better vaccines or help them make more effective vaccines. As I was saying in the previous post, the goal isn't to stop mutations completely (that'd be ideal, but not a realistic target right now), but to slow them down.

    The fact is, odds of mutation increase the longer the virus is able to stay in the body replicating. That's why having some antibodies is indisputably better than having none.

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    Despite GOP Whining, Big Majority Supports Vaccine Mandates

    according to a new poll conducted by the research organization COVID States Project.

    Axios reports that, according to the survey, support for vaccine mandates has increased since May, the last time the COVID States Project conducted a poll on the issue.

    As of July, 64 percent of Americans supported a requirement that everyone get be vaccinated against COVID-19,

    up from 62 percent in May.


    An even greater 70 percent support requiring COVID-19 vaccines for air travel,

    while 66 percent support a requirement that college students be vaccinated in order to go back to school.

    https://www.nationalmemo.com/vaccine...ublic-support-


    So 1/3 of Americans stupid, ignorant FreeDumb lovers, gulled, duped, lied to by Repugs, Trash, right wing hate media.

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    The CDC released that evidence on Friday. In a study of 469 cases of Covid-19 that broke out in the resort town of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, earlier this month, 74% occurred in “fully vaccinated persons.” Four out of five patients hospitalized were fully vaccinated, and on average the inoculated had completed their two rounds of doses only 86 days before infection.


    We got scammed


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    CC summer pop is 500K

    500 cases is 0.1%, ing wonderful fact,

    you ignorant RWNJs are immune to facts and gulled by bull

    what number of vaccinated were hospitalized?

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    Read the pdf

    Genomic sequencing of
    specimens from 133 patients identified the B.1.617.2 (Delta)
    variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in
    119 (89%) and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%). Overall,
    274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection
    were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who
    were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were
    reported.

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