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    We calculate case fatality rate by deaths/cases.
    Eh there’s both. There are separate calculations for crude fatality rate (deaths/population), case fatality rate (confirmed cases), and infected fatality rate (more of an estimate as requires some knowledge of total infections not just confirmed cases as they want to include asymptomatic cases. Earlier on where testing was minimal this was basically just treated like case fatality rate)

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    England's Delta e has abated, but they had lockdowns and mask mandates.
    Spoke too soon, it's going up again -- ditto India


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    statnews says UK is still descending

    https://www.statnews.com/feature/cor...id-19-tracker/

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    I don't disagree, but the Biden Administration messaging and decisions have been horrible. Telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks a couple months back was monumentally short-sighted. So is rushing kids back to school.
    I don't disagree about the mask messaging. They should have emphasized that this could change at any time for any number of reasons.

    I am less critical about the schools. I think keeping the kids home has been more disruptive than people know. It's a depressingly cold cost/benefit analysis that was definitely more dependent on higher vaccination numbers.

    The "return to normality" narrative is objectively bad, imho. It creates expectations that can't be satisfied while COVID is spreading uncontrolled.
    No one wants to kill the recovery. A lot of the people who aren't doing their part to keep it going are going to pay a price. I don't even know what to say about it anymore. It's exasperating.

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    I am less critical about the schools. I think keeping the kids home has been more disruptive than people know. It's a depressingly cold cost/benefit analysis that was definitely more dependent on higher vaccination numbers.
    Timing couldn't be worse. At first kids and their families will be disrupted by disease. If that gets bad enough, they'll be disrupted again by remote learning mandates.

    Aside, it blows me away that more isn't being said and done about ventilation. The primary avenue of infection of COVID is respiratory, can we at least open the damn windows or install exhaust fans in schools and public buildings? At least have more federal messaging and guidance about it? What the USG says to people matters.

    No one wants to kill the recovery. A lot of the people who aren't doing their part to keep it going are going to pay a price. I don't even know what to say about it anymore. It's exasperating.
    Which is worse, economic pain to prevent population level disease and death, or economic pain forced by disease and death? Hope we don't find out this time.

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    Timing couldn't be worse, kids and their families will be disrupted by disease rather than countermeasures. Speaking of which, it blows me away that more isn't being said and done about ventilation. The primary avenue of infection of COVID is respiratory, can we at least open the damn windows or install exhaust fans in schools? At least have more federal messaging and guidance about it? What the USG says to people matters.
    Agreed.

    Which worse, economic pain to prevent disease and death, or economic pain forced by disease and death? Hope we don't find out this time.
    The Overton window has moved with most people to seeing the dead as acceptable losses now. If FL and TX get through this wave without the states' literally being destroyed, the governors will declare victory again until the next ELE in a few months.

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    hole states


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    buckle up, sweetie


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    hole states

    buckle up, sweetie

    On mother er Biden's tab, Winester.

    tee, hee.

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    On mother er Biden's tab, Winester.

    tee, hee.
    91.4% of them unvaccinated.

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    91.4% of them unvaccinated.
    This. I get Wino's point about messaging, but there's something completely unavoidable here: if you didn't get your ass vaccinated by now, then it's your turn to face Mr Darwin. Doing lockdowns to protect those people is simply bad policy, IMO.

    I understand there's always a very small amount of people that can't get vaxxed and they'll suffer through this, even die in some cases. That's a much harder call (ie: reopening schools, which can have an effect on them).

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    This. I get Wino's point about messaging, but there's something completely unavoidable here: if you didn't get your ass vaccinated by now, then it's your turn to face Mr Darwin. Doing lockdowns to protect those people is simply bad policy, IMO.

    I understand there's always a very small amount of people that can't get vaxxed and they'll suffer through this, even die in some cases. That's a much harder call (ie: reopening schools, which can have an effect on them).
    I wish they would have said what percentage of the ICU patients were vaccinated.

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    sorry, the economy and returning to normal are more important




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    I'm sorry you're so scared, WH.

    If it makes you feel any better, we're all gonna die eventually.

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    Kids need to go back to school.

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    I'm sorry you're so scared, WH.

    If it makes you feel any better, we're all gonna die eventually.
    I'm quite aware people eventually die.

    That's no reason to hasten kids to disease, disability and early graves when doing so is largely avoidable.

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    I'm quite aware people eventually die.

    That's no reason to hasten kids to disease, disability and early graves when doing so is largely avoidable.
    Kids need to be back in school.

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    I'm quite aware people eventually die.

    That's no reason to hasten kids to disease, disability and early graves when doing so is largely avoidable.
    I mean only 4-5% of them will get long COVID. Parents love playing the odds with their children.

    Respiratory therapy builds character.

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    I mean only 4-5% of them will get long COVID. Parents love playing the odds with their children.
    You're childless, too.

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    I mean only 4-5% of them will get long COVID. Parents love playing the odds with their children.
    You're childless, too.

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    You're childless, too.
    You like those odds, Darbear?

    1 in 20?

    Call your kid wheezy?

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    I got a 1 year old. She can't get a vaccine. ing repugs always up every ing time.
    Darrin thinks you should roll the dice since his kids are vaccinated.

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    I got a 1 year old. She can't get a vaccine. ing repugs always up every ing time.
    She's not a student, re .

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