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    Keep in mind Pfizer touted 95% efficacy to illness. They defined illness as fever and another symptom such as coug, headache, etc.

    That was the promise.

    Turns out the reality is:

    Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads


    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html


    Those are.the facts.


    Now vax s moved the goalpost saying "well it does prevent death and hospitalization"

    Seeing that at least 1/2.the dead are vaxed now, thus my question.

    Wtf?
    from your own link:

    The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

    Add this to the numbers from your earlier tweet:
    The unvaxxed are dying at ~5-6 times the rate of the vaccinated according to your numbers posted compared to the overall vaccinated and unvaccinated 60+ populations in Israel.

    You just proved vaccines prevent deaths.
    Again, how is this a failure?

    I will ask you one question:

    Say you're 60. Here is a vaccine that will make you six times less likely to die of a highly transmissible disease.

    Do you take it?

    Yes or no.

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    Seeing that at least 1/2.the dead are vaxed now, thus my question.

    Wtf?
    Huh?

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    The thing is 80% of old Israeli COVID deaths in a time period could be among the vaccinated and it's STILL a better result than not being vaccinated.

    That's what happens when 90% of the population is vaccinated. The numbers are that significant.
    Last edited by ChumpDumper; 09-04-2021 at 05:04 PM.

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    This blog post explains how cursory looks at headlines and maybe a single statistic make people like ST's resident vaccinated anti-vaxxers look stupid.

    https://www.covid-datascience.com/po...are-vaccinated

    On the whole, these vaccines are still amazing.

    Even in Israel.

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    This blog post explains how cursory looks at headlines and maybe a single statistic make people like ST's resident vaccinated anti-vaxxers look stupid.

    https://www.covid-datascience.com/po...are-vaccinated

    On the whole, these vaccines are still amazing.

    Even in Israel.
    hater is just here to see the world burn, doesn't give a if his trolling is pushing antivax propaganda that gets good people killed because the lols are important.

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    hater is just here to see the world burn, doesn't give a if his trolling is pushing antivax propaganda that gets good people killed because the lols are important.
    Only Trumpsters aren't vaxxed and it's good that they die is what I heard.


    Failing Joe Biden is going to rack up more bodies with a vaccine then Trump did without a vaccine. It is what it is.

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    Only Trumpsters aren't vaxxed and it's good that they die is what I heard.


    Failing Joe Biden is going to rack up more bodies with a vaccine then Trump did without a vaccine. It is what it is.


    More merit-based deaths and I don't have to miss out on fun activities.

    Covid under Joe is 100x better.

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    wuz bull


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    More merit-based deaths and I don't have to miss out on fun activities.

    Covid under Joe is 100x better.
    COVID less deadly now

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    COVID less deadly now

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    More merit-based deaths and I don't have to miss out on fun activities.

    Covid under Joe is 100x better.
    250k dead and still counting, son.

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    COVID less deadly now
    For me and everyone I give a about? Yep!

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    For me and everyone I give a about? Yep!
    That lets 400k of 'em offin' your hook. tee, hee.

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    This blog post explains how cursory looks at headlines and maybe a single statistic make people like ST's resident vaccinated anti-vaxxers look stupid.

    https://www.covid-datascience.com/po...are-vaccinated

    On the whole, these vaccines are still amazing.

    Even in Israel.
    It's not surprising that you would turn to a blog post making a strawman argument. You ignored Hater saying that the vaccines work but not as well as they were initially advertised. That has become obvious and even your blogpost illustrates that fact. So lol "on the whole".

    Bottom line is that if failing Joe Biden doesn't implement his secret plan to shutdown the virus soon he will rack up more bodies than Trump.

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    It's not surprising that you would turn to a blog post making a strawman argument. You ignored Hater saying that the vaccines work but not as well as they were initially advertised.
    that was his goalpost move. His third goalpost move.

    Sorry you backed another loser. It's not surprising. You're making it a habit.

    another ST vaccinated antivaxxer

    two time Trump voter

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    For me and everyone I give a about? Yep!
    75% of COVID deaths in DC are blacks even though they are only 45% of the population.

    But then you don't give a about them because BLM is only true when there's a more visible crowd to signal to.

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    DMC wants us to hold blacks down and forcibly vaccinate them.

    what is with you Trump s these days? Did you finally realize Trump wasn't secretly inaugurated in March?

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    75% of COVID deaths in DC are blacks even though they are only 45% of the population.

    But then you don't give a about them because BLM is only true when there's a more visible crowd to signal to.
    D M C

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    Nice paper on excess deaths adjusted for population showing how lucky we got compared to 1918
    https://elifesciences.org/articles/71974


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    Coronavirus Mu variant discovered in the US

    Some 167 cases of the Mu variant were discovered in Los Angeles, with 2,000 cases countrywide.

    "This variant has a constellation of mutations that suggests that it would evade certain antibodies, not only monoclonal antibodies but vaccine and convalescent serum-induced antibodies," said Dr. Anthony Fauci in a video posted by the Washington Post.

    "But there isn't a lot of clinical data to suggest that. It is mostly laboratory in-vitro data.


    https://www.jpost.com/international/...-the-us-678751

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    Nope.

    You're free to run your own equation to prove vaccines don't work.

    You will fold..



    Let's make it really simple for you.

    You have 100 old Israelis.

    90 are vaccinated.

    10 are not.

    3 of the vaccinated group die.

    2 of the unvaccinated group die.

    More vaccinated old Israelis died so vaccines don't work, right?

    20% of the unvaccinated died.

    3% of the vaccinated died.

    So vaccines don't work, right?

    Say 4 from each group are infected.

    IFR vaccinated = 75%
    IFR unvaccinated = 50%

    You have 0% chance of dying from covid if uninfected.

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    Say 4 from each group are infected.

    IFR vaccinated = 75%
    IFR unvaccinated = 50%

    You have 0% chance of dying from covid if uninfected.
    How do you know any given untested individual isn't infected?
    Last edited by ChumpDumper; 09-05-2021 at 08:49 AM.

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    How do you know any given untested individual isn't infected?
    You don't.

    If 100% of both groups are infected, then your numbers are correct.

    In the Pfizer and Moderna trials, they had roughly equal sample sizes in treatment and placebo arms. Do you know why they do that?

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    Oh.

    So you can't actually give a number of infected people. Your denominator doesn't exist.

    How can't you use a number that doesn't exist?

    Show your equation using your denominator that you admit you don't know.

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