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Darrin what do people do to make virus reproduce so they can have enough of a quan y to study in the lab?
Darrin what do people do to make virus reproduce so they can have enough of a quan y to study in the lab?
You claimed that WHO tested Wuhan lab animals AND that no Wuhan lab animals exist.
Nice
Not mutually exclusive. Labs can test animals in the wild using research teams, that doesn't technically make them lab animals as those are typically kept in controlled environments and monitored.
We knew this.
Follow da science thang
Called it
Damn chinese have had enough
Obliterating our american media
Something was lost in the translation there, either by you or the Chinese.
Obliterating our american media
Not at all
from the paper the article cites to:
Interpretation
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
so i was wrong about peak viral load for breakthrough cases when it comes to delta (the paper confirms that it reduced peak viral load for the alpha strain). but i was correct that:
1) vaccinated individuals dont spread it for nearly as long, since their viral clearance is accelerated
2) being vaccinated reduces the risk of infection to begin with
the paper also demonstrated that vaccinated household members were less likely to catch covid than unvaccinated household members
so again, yes, it has the net effect of reducing transmissions.
should follow the science.
“The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”
Posted strictly for your viral load claim.from the paper the article cites to:
Interpretation
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
so i was wrong about peak viral load for breakthrough cases when it comes to delta (the paper confirms that it reduced peak viral load for the alpha strain). but i was correct that:
1) vaccinated individuals dont spread it for nearly as long, since their viral clearance is accelerated
2) being vaccinated reduces the risk of infection to begin with
the paper also demonstrated that vaccinated household members were less likely to catch covid than unvaccinated household members
so again, yes, it has the net effect of reducing transmissions
should follow the science.
You totally missed the point he was making“The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”
Not surprising
What point was he making?You totally missed the point he was making
Not surprising
What point are you making?
Vaccines bad.
Even though you're both vaccinated.
Not surprising.
NopeWhat point was he making?
What point are you making?
Vaccines bad.
Even though you're both vaccinated.
Not surprising.
Missed again
Try harder he gave you a hint 2 post above
Nope
Missed again
Try harder he gave you a hint 2 post above
If he and you want to move the goalpost to only viral load for infected people, fine.
Just say you're doing that.
oh, okPosted strictly for your viral load claim.
glad my general point that it reduces transmissions (which is what i was arguing with hater about, as he outright said "the vaccine does not prevent spread. stop spreading fake news") was correct
We already went over this.
They took samples from the animals in caves and took some back to dissect to look take samples from diff body parts (its not clear where this was done actually). The lab that studied these viruses do not raise animals to study. The lab in question specifically used cell cultures to raise enough viruses to get enough RNA to classify them, thats what the lab was involved in... The evolutionary tree of these viruses. This lab became of interest only when the pandemic hit, and rightly so, because they realized along with US help that this virus was in the "coronavirus family." The particular lab of interest was run by a lady that informed us of her worries THAT the wild bats she sampled and the viruses they were growing in the lab had any role in the first outbreak of the virus. She told us, THEY told us because we had a close relationship. There was nothing going on with use of function studies or the chinese attempting to produce a virus in this lab to infect the world. They freely talked to us before the relationship got really bad between the US and China. Good luck getting her to speak now.
Read: This is history behind the Chinese bat studies. Free and open to the public BEFORE China shut us out.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-coronavirus1/
Shi, a virologist who is often called China’s “bat woman” by her colleagues because of her virus-hunting expeditions in bat caves over the past 16 years, walked out of the conference she was attending in Shanghai and hopped on the next train back to Wuhan. “I wondered if [the municipal health authority] got it wrong,” she says. “I had never expected this kind of thing to happen in Wuhan, in central China.” Her studies had shown that the southern, subtropical provinces of Guangdong, Guangxi and Yunnan have the greatest risk of coronaviruses jumping to humans from animals—particularly bats, a known reservoir. If coronaviruses were the culprit, she remembers thinking, “Could they have come from our lab?"
further on:
On the train back to Wuhan on December 30 last year, Shi and her colleagues discussed ways to immediately start testing the patients’ samples. In the following weeks—the most intense and the most stressful time of her life—China’s bat woman felt she was fighting a battle in her worst nightmare, even though it was one she had been preparing for over the past 16 years. Using a technique called polymerase chain reaction, which can detect a virus by amplifying its genetic material, the team found that samples from five of seven patients had genetic sequences present in all coronaviruses.
Shi instructed her group to repeat the tests and, at the same time, sent the samples to another facility to sequence the full viral genomes. Meanwhile she frantically went through her own lab’s records from the past few years to check for any mishandling of experimental materials, especially during disposal. Shi breathed a sigh of relief when the results came back: none of the sequences matched those of the viruses her team had sampled from bat caves. “That really took a load off my mind,” she says. “I had not slept a wink for days.”
and her opinion:
“Bat-borne coronaviruses will cause more outbreaks,” Shi says with a tone of brooding certainty. “We must find them before they find us.”
There is still much more we need from the Chinese. They shut us out.
Last edited by pgardn; 10-29-2021 at 11:54 AM.
"The vaccine does not prevent spread"oh, ok
glad my general point that it reduces transmissions (which is what i was arguing with hater about, as he outright said "the vaccine does not prevent spread. stop spreading fake news") was correct
Thats a FACT. you cannot dispute that statement ma nig
Follow d science
Apology accepted
debunked by cuck ross's article (and the study it refers to)"The vaccine does not prevent spread"
Thats a FACT. you cannot dispute that statement ma nig
Follow d science
No
The word you might be look8ng for is "reduces" not "prevents"
Follow da science
Apology accepted.No
The word you might be look8ng for is "reduces" not "prevents"
Follow da science
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