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    POTUS becomes powerless when it's a D in office. Funny how that works.
    President suddenly owns and is in charge of everything, including the ups of the previous administration. Funny how that works.

    And this grossly misstates what I said. I did mention he had at least a couple of things like vaccine distribution he definitely owned and couldn't whiff on. You just mad Brandon delivered, tbh...

    He didn't inherit . He campaigned and ran for office just to take it on. It's not like he wasn't aware of it, like a genetic disorder. Who else applies for a task then claims they inherited it after getting hired? It's not like Biden was the natural next in line and it just happened to fall on his watch. I don't recall anyone saying Trump inherited it, and he didn't even know it was coming.
    He doesn't need to lay claim to anything. He stepped into office and there was a mismanaged pandemic. Heck, that's likely the #1 reason the big loser was booted and he got the job.

    You can argue he did a good or bad job since he was at the helm, and I would agree with you that Old Joe is full of , but the fact that this was mismanaged from the start is not really dabatable. When we talk about countries that dealt with this pandemic much better than we did, it's unequivocal that they made the right calls from the very start.

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    Because there is a squatter in there named MF Biden.
    Brandon President
    Not Trump.

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    So that means almost 800 million people do take the " ty flu vaccine" which saves lives, likely because it's indeed the best option not to die of the flu.

    COVID also doesn't kill 98% of the people it infects... that's still 150 million plus people dead. Vaccines reduce that number substantially, which is why they're not going anywhere...
    Lot of word salads here that say nothing about too few people take the very inneficient flu vaccines to conclude anything fromn it

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    Reminds me of Pavlov and the rest when asked how Russia interfered the 2016 election
    They did Hater?
    I dont know what the you read but you are out of the loop.

    Trump and Hillary being so close in the overall EC and popular made it clear to most people someone had to be president and Trump won the EC.
    Did anyone attack the capitol? Did anyone claim fake votes (oh yeah, Trump... the 1.5-2 million pop vote thing ) It would even more simple if he just gave up his tax returns that he will be forced to anyway. It would have gone away.
    Right?

    Again, this is what shows you the US is a democracy. A TV personality and pathological liar appealed to a very large portion of the voting public; so he was and will always be a president/ex president. This kind of thing never happens in your dream country. 24 years of the same man.

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    Lot of word salads here that say nothing about too few people take the very inneficient flu vaccines to conclude anything fromn it
    wtf does the bolded misspelled mean?

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    lol, this is trolling...
    For centuries, protection from polio was passed down through the generations. Mothers who had survived polio infection themselves passed on immunity to their babies in the womb and through breast milk.

    There are two stages to the polio infection. In the first mild stage the infection stays in the digestive system and throat and doesn’t reach the central nervous system. Most babies with maternal immunity are able to fight off the disease at this stage with only mild flu-like symptoms. At the same time, exposure to the first stage gives them their own long-term immunity.

    But the unforeseen consequence of better hygiene and sanitation at the end of the 1800s was that babies in clean surroundings stopped encountering the infection while they still had maternal immunity.

    So they failed to develop their own long-term immunity and were not protected when they encountered the disease later in life. And exposure to polio in late childhood or as an adult, was more likely to develop to the second, more aggressive stage of the disease.
    https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/obj...ntury-epidemic

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    Lot of word salads here that say nothing about too few people take the very inneficient flu vaccines to conclude anything fromn it
    No, it's actually a verifiable fact that the very successful flu vaccine saves lives year after year. Looks like you understood it fine

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    Reminds me of Pavlov and the shillary s when asked how Russia stole the 2016 election
    Show me the post where I said Russia stole the 2016 election.

    Or fold again.

    hater

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    Stopping this virus was never a goal, AFAIK. Keeping it under control was and is, much like the flu is kept under control primarily through vaccination.

    That said, stopping 'a' virus via vaccination is not unheard of either. Take Polio, a virus that still exists today, is a great example of how you 'stop' viruses via vaccination. That said, it clearly is a different ballgame when we're talking airborne.
    Well first, we have not been controlling influenza with 50% vaccination rates (in a good year) and vaccine efficacy at 50% (in a good year). Eventually we'll get ed by another influenza strain too.

    More importantly to this topic, it's not the flu, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not polio, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not smallpox, it's a 5th endemic HCoV.

    You're all so willing to compare apples to oranges or apples to bananas but none of you will compare Granny Smiths to Sweet Delicous.

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    Well first, we have not been controlling influenza with 50% vaccination rates (in a good year) and vaccine efficacy at 50% (in a good year). Eventually we'll get ed by another influenza strain too.

    More importantly to this topic, it's not the flu, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not polio, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not smallpox, it's a 5th endemic HCoV.

    You're all so willing to compare apples to oranges or apples to bananas but none of you will compare Granny Smiths to Sweet Delicous.
    So you think the flu vaccine is ineffective?
    Waste of money?

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    Well first, we have not been controlling influenza with 50% vaccination rates (in a good year) and vaccine efficacy at 50% (in a good year). Eventually we'll get ed by another influenza strain too.

    More importantly to this topic, it's not the flu, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not polio, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not smallpox, it's a 5th endemic HCoV.

    You're all so willing to compare apples to oranges or apples to bananas but none of you will compare Granny Smiths to Sweet Delicous.
    ting yourself after jumping at the polio and flu comparisons.


    I know you'll change the subject with me again.

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    For centuries, protection from polio was passed down through the generations. Mothers who had survived polio infection themselves passed on immunity to their babies in the womb and through breast milk.

    There are two stages to the polio infection. In the first mild stage the infection stays in the digestive system and throat and doesn’t reach the central nervous system. Most babies with maternal immunity are able to fight off the disease at this stage with only mild flu-like symptoms. At the same time, exposure to the first stage gives them their own long-term immunity.

    But the unforeseen consequence of better hygiene and sanitation at the end of the 1800s was that babies in clean surroundings stopped encountering the infection while they still had maternal immunity.

    So they failed to develop their own long-term immunity and were not protected when they encountered the disease later in life. And exposure to polio in late childhood or as an adult, was more likely to develop to the second, more aggressive stage of the disease.
    https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/obj...ntury-epidemic
    This is exactly why I'm saying you're trolling.

    Polio was already killing lots of people in the 1800s (and before then, it's been tracked all the way back to 1400BC, IIRC), and while back then it wasn't considered 'a big deal', mostly because neither was typhoid or cholera or the plethora of different diseases people used to die off, it was already maiming and killing a ton of people by modern standards.

    Back then, a mother having to undergo polio infection might've been wise, because there was nothing else. We're not in the 1800s anymore.

    It's true that advances in hygiene diminished the effect of the maternal protection and boosted the efficacy of the disease, culminating in the rise of the disease in the mid-1900s, but that doesn't mean the solution was to go risking mothers lives with a polio infection.

    As a matter of fact, Polio is one of the greatest success stories of modern vaccination. It was literally stopped in the West due to a massive vaccination campaign.

    BTW, my uncle (RIP) had Polio. He lived a good, long life despite losing mobility on his right leg.

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    Lot of word salads here that say nothing about too few people take the very inneficient flu vaccines to conclude anything fromn it
    wtf does the bolded misspelled mean?
    Never mind the misspelled wtf words, his grammar is truly astounding (and not in a good way)!

    That you ducks?

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    As far as I can see, SnakeBoy is upset there's a shrinking chance the rest of us could get a serious case of COVID. I have no idea why else he could be lashing out so hard.

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    Well first, we have not been controlling influenza with 50% vaccination rates (in a good year) and vaccine efficacy at 50% (in a good year). Eventually we'll get ed by another influenza strain too.

    More importantly to this topic, it's not the flu, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not polio, it's a 5th endemic HCoV. It's not smallpox, it's a 5th endemic HCoV.

    You're all so willing to compare apples to oranges or apples to bananas but none of you will compare Granny Smiths to Sweet Delicous.
    We've been getting mutations and retooling influenza vaccines for literal decades. Off the top of my head, we had at least two major influenza pandemics based on mutations alone, and we also retooled the vaccines to effectively attack them.

    Also, the only reason you can make the claim this is different when it comes to vaccines, is that you know for some reason we cannot engineer modified vaccines to tackle mutations.

    That claim is not one anybody in the scientific field has made so far, including the companies that developed the vaccines. So, if that's the hill you want to die on, go ahead, but back it up.
    Last edited by ElNono; 12-07-2021 at 07:52 PM. Reason: typo

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    Never mind the misspelled wtf words, his grammar is truly astounding (and not in a good way)!

    That you ducks?
    I really wanted to know what he means by inefficient.
    I can see some ways it might be, but not sure what point he is trying to make.

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    No, it's actually a verifiable fact that the very successful flu vaccine saves lives year after year. Looks like you understood it fine
    almost noone in Africa, Asia or your land El Salvador take the "flu" vaccines. Im talking about less than 5%

    Almost noone is dying of the flu in those countries.


    word ensaladas

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    almost noone in Africa, Asia or your land El Salvador take the "flu" vaccines. Im talking about less than 5%

    Almost noone is dying of the flu in those countries.

    word ensaldas
    The effects of seasonal influenza epidemics in developing countries are not fully known, but research estimates indicate that 99% of deaths in children under 5 years of age with influenza related lower respiratory tract infections are found in developing countries.

    https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/influenza

    Newly published national estimates describe for the first time the burden of influenza in South Africa; nearly 10,000 deaths and 40,000 hospitalizations are due to influenza each year.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/cou.../influenza.htm

    just admit you don't give a about developing countries and you didn't even look before saying any of that

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    The effects of seasonal influenza epidemics in developing countries are not fully known, but research estimates indicate that 99% of deaths in children under 5 years of age with influenza related lower respiratory tract infections are found in developing countries.

    https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/influenza

    Newly published national estimates describe for the first time the burden of influenza in South Africa; nearly 10,000 deaths and 40,000 hospitalizations are due to influenza each year.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/cou.../influenza.htm

    just admit you don't give a about developing countries and you didn't even look before saying any of that
    2018-2019 380,000 hospitalized 28,000 deaths That's the US.

    The year prior it was over 700K hospitalizations and 52K+ deaths.

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut...accine_status/

    last 30 seconds breaks it down by age group too

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    nm didn't realize it was a video, slow internet at the hotel.

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    The effects of seasonal influenza epidemics in developing countries are not fully known, but research estimates indicate that 99% of deaths in children under 5 years of age with influenza related lower respiratory tract infections are found in developing countries.

    https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/influenza

    Newly published national estimates describe for the first time the burden of influenza in South Africa; nearly 10,000 deaths and 40,000 hospitalizations are due to influenza each year.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/cou.../influenza.htm

    just admit you don't give a about developing countries and you didn't even look before saying any of that
    10k out of a country of 60 million IS ALMOST NOONE . Called ir



    maths is dificil

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    The effects of seasonal influenza epidemics in developing countries are not fully known, but research estimates indicate that 99% of deaths in children under 5 years of age with influenza related lower respiratory tract infections are found in developing countries.

    https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/influenza

    Newly published national estimates describe for the first time the burden of influenza in South Africa; nearly 10,000 deaths and 40,000 hospitalizations are due to influenza each year.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/cou.../influenza.htm

    just admit you don't give a about developing countries and you didn't even look before saying any of that

    Hater thinks South Africa is a continent as he does not realize that there are other countries in Africa that had influenza deaths !

    Forget the math, he should follow the geography!

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    2018-2019 380,000 hospitalized 28,000 deaths That's the US.

    The year prior it was over 700K hospitalizations and 52K+ deaths.
    10k dead is in South Africa alone, not even all of Africa.

    So the notion that:

    "almost noone in Africa, Asia or your land El Salvador take the "flu" vaccines. Im talking about less than 5%"

    and

    "Almost noone is dying of the flu in those countries."

    it's completely wrong.

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