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    Two doses of vaccine does nothing or almost nothing to stop symptomatic sars-cov-2. Three doses barely does anything, and the effect will likely attenuate over time. Finally, as the number of exposures increase from 2 to 22 to 202, the ulative probability of infection will approach 1.

    NOTE: This is not an argument about the benefits of vaccination for the individual— vaccines likely (and evidence shows they) still have great protection against severe disease;
    instead this is an argument about the effects of vaccination on symptomatic diseases, and (some good portion of) transmission.

    Conclusion: you cannot contain the viral spread of omicron by boosting.

    The moment we see that, the policy conclusions start to fall into place.

    Booster mandates make no sense for young people/ working people/ hospitals/ anywhere. Young people will only be, at best, slightly less likely to spread for a short period of time, but the epidemic waves will eventually over take them. Boosting should happen in populations where it further reduces severe disease and death— aka older & vulnerable people. Focus on that and let college kids off the hook.

    Some argue there is still a justification to boost because you can help prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Sadly, that argument fails in several ways. First, you have no evidence boosting younger people will slow hospitalizations. A vaccinated younger person already has very low risk of being hospitalized. Boosting may not further lower what is already very low. We simply have no evidence. Event rates are sparse at those ages.

    Second, this argument would mean the state could tell people what to eat and how much to exercise, and how much to drink. Food, drink and obesity are drivers of hospitalizations. Instead, we have not accepted these infringements in the past. The justification for vaccine mandates is that it helps curb population spread. The latest vaccine effectiveness figures show that effect is now nearly gone, and transient at best. Ergo, the mandates are unjustified.

    Firing nurses and other health care workers for being non-compliant with mandates is now defeating. We are better off having them work. Time to bring them back.

    Draconian avoidance of omicron is not tenable. Omicron or a future variant will eventually find us all. It may even be preferable to encounter omicron a few weeks or months after your last vaccine than a year or two later, as the infection may be milder. As I explain in a prior post, wearing an n95 makes no sense.

    It is time to face reality.

    https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.co...-goes-down-the
    "Probaility"

    Also this graph in the same damn page shows the booster indeed works and the vaccine is effective against omicron, even over time:


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    "Probaility"

    Also this graph in the same damn page shows the booster indeed works and the vaccine is effective against omicron, even over time:

    "3 doses does better, for now. But look at the confidence interval of the red line. We have no idea if it will be preserved."


    Sorry this is happening to you

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    why are all these vaxxed Trump s now trying to act like they're antivaxx?

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    "3 doses does better, for now. But look at the confidence interval of the red line. We have no idea if it will be preserved."
    Exactly, "no idea" doesn't mean it doesn't work. It's working now and if it doesn't work in the long run, there's always another booster to bring that line back up.

    Sorry this is happening to you. Shoulda gotten that booster before the infection, tbh

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    Poor boosted bas s

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    Wrong thread

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    Hater getting bullied so hard in this thread he's resorted to +1ing Nathan posts

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    Hater getting bullied so hard in this thread he's resorted to +1ing Nathan posts
    Hate to see that happening to him.

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    "Probaility"

    Also this graph in the same damn page shows the booster indeed works and the vaccine is effective against omicron, even over time:

    "Conclusion: you cannot contain the viral spread of omicron by boosting."

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    I think boosters may be good for elderly or people with immune system compromise. Everyone else, meh.

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    "Conclusion: you cannot contain the viral spread of omicron by boosting."
    You're boosted.

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    I didn't and omicron is a nothingburger.

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    I didn't and omicron is a nothingburger.
    Nice anecdote.

    Why are hospitals filling up again?

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    Two doses

    Your triple dose isn't stopping you from getting infected. Are you going for number 4?

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    why are all these vaxxed Trump s now trying to act like they're antivaxx?
    Not anti-vaxx, just pro-choice.

    Dont fire non vaxxed hospital staff, then go whine about staff shortages.

    Don't call it the pandemic of the unvaxxed when the hospitals have many vaxxed covid patients in them.

    Don't force worthless masks on us because you don't trust said vaccines.

    Freedom is kind of a big thing in this country.

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    Two different vaccines. It's a boost. You said so.

    Your triple dose isn't stopping you from getting infected.
    Never said it was. That's not the gotcha you think it is.

    Are you going for number 4?
    Maybe. What would it hurt? That's what you said after taking your chef's blend.

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    Nice anecdote.

    Why are hospitals filling up again?
    They always do in winter. 40-50% incidental finding

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    Not anti-vaxx, just pro-choice.

    Dont fire non vaxxed hospital staff, then go whine about staff shortages.

    Don't call it the pandemic of the unvaxxed when the hospitals have many vaxxed covid patients in them.

    Don't force worthless masks on us because you don't trust said vaccines.

    Freedom is kind of a big thing in this country.
    I'm all for people killing themselves if they want to.

    Just don't kill others.

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    They always do in winter. 40-50% incidental finding
    According to whom?

    They always start rationing in the winter according to you too?

    Explain.

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    Two different vaccines. It's a boost. You said so.

    Never said it was. That's not the gotcha you think it is.

    Maybe. What would it hurt? That's what you said after taking your chef's blend.
    How many doses before you folks are ok with us ditching the face diapers?

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    How many doses before you folks are ok with us ditching the face diapers?
    Who's making you wear a mask?

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    I'm all for people killing themselves if they want to.

    Just don't kill others.
    So should we no longer get in our vehicles and drive to work? Afterall, we could get in an accident and kill someone.

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    So should we no longer get in our vehicles and drive to work? Afterall, we could get in an accident and kill someone.
    Do you wear a seat belt and follow traffic laws?

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