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    Mechanism for immune dysregulation and blood clotting found. The study also suggests mild to moderate infection screws up the ability of your immune system to recognize pathogens.

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    Considering who it's coming from, not encouraging.

    We're running out of tools to manage SARS2.


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    Considering who it's coming from, not encouraging.

    We're running out of tools to manage SARS2.

    It's a seasonal virus that evolves every year or so like the flu. We definitely need to maintain the R&D to keep up with things but this is going on year 3 and this sensationalism is tiring.

    Older victims being more at risk is not new. Boosters being essential to maintain immunity is not new.

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    It's a seasonal virus that evolves every year or so like the flu. We definitely need to maintain the R&D to keep up with things but this is going on year 3 and this sensationalism is tiring.

    Older victims being more at risk is not new. Boosters being essential to maintain immunity is not new.
    Jha has been a consistent "vax and done" minimizer, I don't see the sensationalism.
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    Jha has been a consistent "vex and done" minimizer, I don't see the sensationalism.
    Qualitative statements like "very little" and "serious illness" without context prima facie.

    the conclusion I got from it was that I should get a new booster for this variant similar to the past. you went so far as "we are running out of tools."

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    Qualitative statements like "very little" and "serious illness" without context prima facie.

    the conclusion I got from it was that I should get a new booster for this variant similar to the past. you went so far as "we are running out of tools."
    check the previous two pages, there's empirical support for saying so.

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    Leaving us with zero FDA emergency approved monoclonal treatments for COVID.

    Was the FDA caving to sensationalism?

    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said on Wednesday that the COVID-19 monoclonal antibody treatment bebtelovimab from Eli Lilly is no longer authorized for emergency use in the U.S. as it is not expected to be effective at neutralizing the two most dominant omicron subvariants in the country right now.
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ody-treatment/

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    check the previous two pages, there's empirical support for saying so.
    Which is exactly the same scenario last year with last year's new variants. You think they are not going to be able to analyze the new strains to come up with the RNA this time for some reason?

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    Which is exactly the same scenario last year with last year's new variants. You think they are not going to be able to analyze the new strains to come up with the RNA this time for some reason?
    No.

    That said, it's not sensationalism to say we're running out of tools at the moment. SARS2 has evolved past them. The study I cited seems to indicated XBB1.5 is more contagious and more immune evasive than OG Omicron. We'll see what that means for sickness, severity and gross mortality in the next few months. Hopefully it's not worse, Omicron has been pretty bad so far.

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    Nearly 250,000 covid deaths in 2022

    The pandemic is finally over

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    No.

    That said, it's not sensationalism to say we're running out of tools at the moment. SARS2 has evolved past them. The study I cited seems to indicated XBB1.5 is more contagious and more immune evasive than OG Omicron. We'll see what that means for sickness, severity and gross mortality in the next few months. Hopefully it's not worse, Omicron has been pretty bad so far.
    There is still the bivalent vaccine. And we are jsut going to have to disagree on the word choice.

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    There is still the bivalent vaccine. And we are jsut going to have to disagree on the word choice.
    nah, you got it wrong.

    what I said is factually well supported, we do in fact have fewer tools that we had 2 months ago, and a lot fewer than one year ago.

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    nah, you got it wrong.

    what I said is factually well supported, we do in fact have fewer tools that we had 2 months ago, and a lot fewer than one year ago.
    there is still a bivalent vaccine and I never said anything one way or another about your strawman. I get that is your reason and I am trying to tell you is there are still options, the R & D complex still exists, and thus I don't like the word choice.

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    And let's not forget this exact same OMG WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH VACCINES lines around this time last year when omicron first was a thing.

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    when you have a chance, check to see if that stick in your butt has a stick in its butt that needs removing.

    seems you're just making stuff up to be miffed about, your vague grievances aren't for me to untangle, tbh.

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    VA patients may not be the healthiest cohort, but it is a large one.

    n=483,588
    control group=5,334,729




    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

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    welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today
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    welp, wish me luck guys
    probably dont want to provide a link that includes your full name imho

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    probably dont want to provide a link that includes your full name imho

    its not my phone but thanks for the heads up

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    welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today
    best wishes for a speedy recovery

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    welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today
    Speedy recovery!

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    Just get plenty of rest. Don't let your employer push you into coming back until you are ready.

    It can be quite a roller coaster.



    welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today

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    when you have a chance, check to see if that stick in your butt has a stick in its butt that needs removing.

    seems you're just making stuff up to be miffed about, your vague grievances aren't for me to untangle, tbh.
    I wasn't upset. I just didn't think it justified. Now that you don't have an actual response to my points you are taking this tactic which does actually indicate an emotional response.

    Get over yourself, wine.

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