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    He really is not that stupid.
    Agree to disagree.

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    fair enough. I'm just trying to aim high with him.

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    Sure but the probability is only part of the risk calculation. It was an absolute death sentence up until the aforementioned date. I'll take long COVID and a daily regimen of methotrexate over 1990 AIDS.

    I guess my point is what am I supposed to take from this? They have created an entire industry around the disease and given the nature of vaccines it is incredibly profitable. R&D will continue because of that regardless of political will. I wear a mask around at risk groups.
    I think there are several points to take from this, good and bad. The good is how science has truly advanced to this stage to the point of having a full DNA sequence of this thing within a few months after it appeared, which paved the way for having an eventual effective vaccine in record time.

    The bad was certainly the initial response, and especially the pollicization of it, which costs numerous lives. To this day we have a small amount of dumb, gullible people still arguing about vaccines, despite their overwhelmingly proven record.

    You would think we would learn lessons about those bad things, but I'm a bit cynical on that end.

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    I think there are several points to take from this, good and bad. The good is how science has truly advanced to this stage to the point of having a full DNA sequence of this thing within a few months after it appeared, which paved the way for having an eventual effective vaccine in record time.

    The bad was certainly the initial response, and especially the pollicization of it, which costs numerous lives. To this day we have a small amount of dumb, gullible people still arguing about vaccines, despite their overwhelmingly proven record.

    You would think we would learn lessons about those bad things, but I'm a bit cynical on that end.
    Biden will surely discuss Trump's ty response in the campaign. Hopefully something comes of it. Most of the space is still combatting the science.

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    Biden will surely discuss Trump's ty response in the campaign. Hopefully something comes of it. Most of the space is still combatting the science.
    We're still slowly recovering from idiocy, tbh... see:

    How Covid made it nearly impossible to pass new vaccine rules
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...rules-00100073

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    If you can look at this chart of life expectancy falling on every continent on Earth and still convince yourself covid was overblown, that's your brain on coping mechanism mode--Nate Bear

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    Checking in 3+ years after the start of the plandemic. Still unvaxxed.

    Vaxxcucks

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    Subsequent gastrointestinal problems are correlated with COVID infection


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    First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Ins ute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

    The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

    After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology (WIV).

    According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

    More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

    Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Ins ute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

    Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

    As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.

    When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the iden ies of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”

    “Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Ins ute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

    Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

    Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

    Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

    Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.

    Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.

    A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.

    https://public.substack.com/p/first-...ed-by-covid-19

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    Yeah, yeah.

    Its a good pinprick by the Chinese to keep playing with us and not let us check out the labs.
    They are loving this. We need to get real info.

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    First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Ins ute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

    The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

    After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology (WIV).

    According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

    More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

    Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Ins ute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

    Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

    As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.

    When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the iden ies of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”

    “Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Ins ute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

    Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

    Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

    Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

    Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.

    Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.

    A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.

    https://public.substack.com/p/first-...ed-by-covid-19
    Why would US government sauces have to be anonymous when it comes to Chinese doctors?

    What do they know about the aliens?

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    Why would US government sauces have to be anonymous when it comes to Chinese doctors?

    What do they know about the aliens?
    They were told, so that should be good enough.

    First hand knowledge is for losers.

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    Why would US government sauces have to be anonymous when it comes to Chinese doctors?

    What do they know about the aliens?
    The report from declassified DNI info the administration approved is due on Sunday. Kinda weird to come up in front with this. Wonder why somebody is trying to get ahead of that story, or trying to set a narrative regardless of what the report might say.

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    First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Ins ute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

    The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

    After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology (WIV).

    According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

    More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

    Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Ins ute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

    Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

    As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.

    When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the iden ies of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”

    “Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Ins ute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

    Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

    Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

    Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

    Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.

    Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.

    A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.

    https://public.substack.com/p/first-...ed-by-covid-19




    Do ents Link Potential Covid Patient Zero to U.S.-Funded Research in Wuhan

    New reporting, attributed to U.S. government sources, identified a coronavirus researcher at the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology who fell ill in November 2019.

    https://theintercept.com/2023/06/17/...-patient-zero/

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    racoon dog truthers

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    Nothing of substance, just your typical qtsa bunch of "if's, "plausible," "possibles," and conspiracies.

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    I was hoping their names would be something like Sum Ting Wong, Ho Lee Fuk

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    racoon dog truthers
    Probably intelligent life from a different solar system let the virus loose... With never before seen biomolecules. We have no evidence but lets just say it because it was tweeted.

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    Probably intelligent life from a different solar system let the virus loose... With never before seen biomolecules. We have no evidence but lets just say it because it was tweeted.
    Every Q knows that unprotected sex between Bigfoot, JFK, Elvis, and the space aliens, at the Chinese bio labs setup by Hugo Chavez in Germany, was the cause of covid-19.

    Deep state covering up the truth!

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    Nothing of substance, just your typical qtsa bunch of "if's, "plausible," "possibles," and conspiracies.
    Can you link me to your full of substance well sourced fact checked supported racoon dog article you were pushing months ago

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    Can you link me to your full of substance well sourced fact checked supported racoon dog article you were pushing months ago
    You are just upset that no one believes all your conspiracies involving space alien whistleblowers who eat children at pizza parlors with George Soros!

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    You are just upset that no one believes all your conspiracies involving space alien whistleblowers who eat children at pizza parlors with George Soros!
    We are in the coronavirus thread your attempts at deflecting are pitiful and apparent to everyone.

    Are you too embarrassed to link your racoon dog study now? You were propping up and pushing that here for weeks.

    Are you upset no one believes your conspiracy involving racoon dogs?

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    Lol TSA going with "my conspiracy is better than your conspiracy"

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