Good info. The temporary shutdown till mass testing seems reasonable to me though.
Great. Good sutff.
So whats the media?
Its not obtuse.
What sites do you trust, what do you not trust?
Your one of the guys that pieced together pizza gate and then say WE cant trust THE MEDIA.
Of all the people on this board you really need to guide us, because your rep was shot to pieces.
60M Americans got apparently less transmissible and DEFINITELY many times less mortal H1N1 in 2009-2010.
How many Ms of Americans will get covid-19 does your "evidence" guy estimate?
when his article doesn't even refer to the HARD evidence of USA's 2009 H1N1 pandemic?
Why wouldn't the 2009 pandemic indicate what will happen in the 2020 pandemic?
It's a good article. No lefty/righty "spin" and just facts, sources (white papers from trusted academics), and numbers.
I spare no Media. Fox is as dirty as the rest of 'em.
You dont know who this was aimed at.
A guy who has given us horrible sources AND blames "THE MEDIA"
I want to know who this is.
]It is important to note that in both scenarios, the total number of COVID-19 cases will be similar. “Flattening the curve”’s focus is a shock to the healthcare system which can increase fatalities due to capacity constraints. In the long-term, it isn’t infection prevention. Unfortunately, “flattening the curve” doesn’t include other downsides and costs of execution.
As far as facts and only facts I will give you one place he completely missed the boat above.
The costs of execution goes up when doctors and healthcare workers also get sick and supplies run thin. We need shifts, you will see this problem taking place in the NY hospitals already. The costs of execution does go up when you get health care workers getting overwhelmed (no shifts) and supplies asked for at one big moment. So he does NOT understand the cost of execution by prolonging the number of cases. We are seeing it in individual hospitals.
And thats just one part.
Never thought I'd say this...good stuff TSA
So much this. You can’t have the doom and gloom of asymptomatic spread without discounting the death rate by projected no-to-mild symptomatic cases.
I misspoke a bit, and the writer does editorialize at the end (which is informed by what looks like a Libertarian point-of-view), but I don't find any issues with his data and the extrapolation of the data. All sources are credible.
I think he's weighing what will be the costs of a long term societal shutdown. I do agree with you over him in that regard. We shouldn't resume business as usual quite yet until we get more data and can get a clearer picture of the virus's trajectory and until healthcare systems in densely populated areas catch up. But I do agree that society can't shutdown and citizens can't operate in an eternal "social distancing" paranoia until a vaccine is found. Just not plausible. I find scaremongering, apocalyptic articles that have the "lefty" spin much worse.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...ing-18-months/We don’t know exactly what this new future looks like, of course. But one can imagine a world in which, to get on a flight, perhaps you’ll have to be signed up to a service that tracks your movements via your phone. The airline wouldn’t be able to see where you’d gone, but it would get an alert if you’d been close to known infected people or disease hot spots. There’d be similar requirements at the entrance to large venues, government buildings, or public transport hubs. There would be temperature scanners everywhere, and your workplace might demand you wear a monitor that tracks your temperature or other vital signs. Where nightclubs ask for proof of age, in future they might ask for proof of immunity—an iden y card or some kind of digital verification via your phone, showing you’ve already recovered from or been vaccinated against the latest virus strains.
And like that legitimizes the "fascist government" fears many are having right now. A very irresponsible article.
. I have had a sore throat for a week, maybe ten days, but I always get one when oak pollen comes for the spring. But if this is corona it kicks like a ing mule. I have been puking since about 7:30 this morning and my body feels like it has been hit by a Mack truck. Checked my temp 3 times today and 98.6, 98.5, 97.9 so no fever yet though. Back for ing bed.
Good 30” presentation about spread and other factors.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csym38
It's your penance for starting (bend over) up again. Now I can't stop doing it.
This morning:::
Katie: "My plantar fascistic is bothering me, Dale."
Dale: "Bend over, I'll plantar your fascistic."
Yep. The lethality of this virus is massively overstated. Too bad Italy is the "perfect" example for a scaremongering media to use here, but they lazily just flash a bunch of graphs on screen, video of tanks of transporting bodies, and scream, "We're going to wind up just like Italy!" without investigating the details, i.e. Italy didn't test everyone, their population is older on average, many of whom have multiple pre-existing health conditions, multiple family generations often live in the same household, greater population density, and when you zoom out, 4000 of their citizens died vs. their 60 million population. 23K die of the flu every year in Italy.
But again I'll stress I'm not trying to understate. We need to do everything possible to flatten the curve.
Lincoln Network
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Is this Aaron Ginn's agenda a right wing / Kock Bros / SPN agenda?
"I’m an individual American who sees his community and loved ones being decimated
without given a choice,
without empathy,
and while the media cheers on with high ratings.
The health of the State will be even stronger with more Americans dependent on welfare,
another trillion stimulus filled with pork for powerful friends"
An unpicked BIG CHERRY:
2009 H1N1 infected 60M Americans
with the best Dem Federal govt could manage,
vs
now when the Repug Federal govt mismanaging from Day One, eg, fatally low, fatally delayed testing.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...8FG0hCNe4z1xBcMore than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.
After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.
The new study could provide insight into why Italy’s death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries.
The Rome-based ins ute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.
The median age of the infected is 63 but most of those who die are older. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
While data released Tuesday point to a slowdown in the increase of cases, with a 12.6% rise, a separate study shows Italy could be underestimating the real number of cases by testing only patients presenting symptoms.
According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.
Follow the link. The graph shows that nearly 75% of deaths were of people who had 2 or more pre-existing health conditions.
Yes exercise precautions and yes be hygienic. But the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous. The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help. Nor does media sensationalism. One can be sober and take the pandemic seriously without whipping up into a panicked frenzy
Dang. Sorry dude! That sucks.
"the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous."
The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help.
Nor does media sensationalism.
whipping up into a panicked frenzy
Solid, reasoned, and well thought out post."the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous."
The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help.
Nor does media sensationalism.
whipping up into a panicked frenzy
This 100%
Just the fact that people are having better hand hygiene and avoiding dense crowds should drive transmission way down.
Primarily because Trump is President in an Election Year. It's the perfect time frame to attack him, they FINALLY got him where they want him. (Media) won't be blamed & can cast off any restraints & go whole hog.
& notice the less of a rapid increase in the death count the harder Media attacks him. It's safe. They're not as apt to attack him at an Italy death count as they are at the actual death count (270).
...& Media does not want that. Yes, the [hand washing] they want, superficially. & like I said above they don't want an Italy death count. They want a death count where they can "stab" HIM with a thousand cuts for months on end. [They} can't stab Him at an Italy 800 deaths a day. They'd have to "run" for their lives at that count.
& they want to remain stationary so they can do their part during this election cycle.
On Italy.
Some of our big 3-d cities could follow their path.
But overall I doubt it.
Big smokers and piled on top of each other.
Seriously just think of all the people sitting at home who need to be entertained.
So you hit all your audience. Scare some into severely curtailing their lifestyle, call it a US-Israeli invention, say it no big deal, buy now ("You see Im ahead of the game but still giving you my secrets")
Everyone has an angle to entertain or advance viewer/readership.
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