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    This 100%

    Just the fact that people are having better hand hygiene and avoiding dense crowds should drive transmission way down.
    ...& Media does not want that. Yes, the [hand washing] they want, superficially. & like I said above they don't want an Italy death count. They want a death count where they can "stab" HIM with a thousand cuts for months on end. [They} can't stab Him at an Italy 800 deaths a day. They'd have to "run" for their lives at that count.

    & they want to remain stationary so they can do their part during this election cycle.

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    On Italy.

    Some of our big 3-d cities could follow their path.
    But overall I doubt it.
    Big smokers and piled on top of each other.

    Seriously just think of all the people sitting at home who need to be entertained.
    So you hit all your audience. Scare some into severely curtailing their lifestyle, call it a US-Israeli invention, say it no big deal, buy now ("You see Im ahead of the game but still giving you my secrets")

    Everyone has an angle to entertain or advance viewer/readership.

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    . I have had a sore throat for a week, maybe ten days, but I always get one when oak pollen comes for the spring. But if this is corona it kicks like a ing mule. I have been puking since about 7:30 this morning and my body feels like it has been hit by a Mack truck. Checked my temp 3 times today and 98.6, 98.5, 97.9 so no fever yet though. Back for ing bed.
    Get a z-pak from your pharmacy.

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    ...& Media does not want that. Yes, the [hand washing] they want, superficially. & like I said above they don't want an Italy death count. They want a death count where they can "stab" HIM with a thousand cuts for months on end.
    Seriously, who is the media that wants to be inaccurate?

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    On Italy.

    Some of our big 3-d cities could follow their path.
    But overall I doubt it.
    Big smokers and piled on top of each other.

    Seriously just think of all the people sitting at home who need to be entertained.
    So you hit all your audience. Scare some into severely curtailing their lifestyle, call it a US-Israeli invention, say it no big deal, buy now ("You see Im ahead of the game but still giving you my secrets")

    Everyone has an angle to entertain or advance viewer/readership.
    Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling , hand-over-fist to 100% of America.

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    Seriously, who is the media that wants to be inaccurate?
    No need to differentiate, peeg. I did not stutter.

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    Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling , hand-over-fist to 100% of America.
    The visual media is notably bad I will start off there.
    Can you continue...

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    Solid, reasoned, and well thought out post.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiAdL8yy1Q

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    Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling , hand-over-fist to 100% of America.
    Well the medical community needs to buy a whole lot of in short supply so I hope someone is selling it.
    They need more rooms, space and medical people in some big cities right now, in addition to gloves, gowns, equipment for lungs.
    NY is already releasing patients non covid early too make room.

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    Didn't read the article yet, but I already intuitively agree with it. I want to stress that we do need to take all precautions necessary (limited social interaction, hygiene, etc) to limit spread and give healthcare a chance to catch up, but the media isn't offering enough counterpoints to the "doom and gloom" scenarios. As I've said in many posts, the mortality rate looks scary when you simply divide deaths by confirmed cases, but it stands to reason there's tens of thousands of unconfirmed cases out there where those persons probably had zero-to-very mild symptoms and have already recovered (Italy was only testing people who exhibited severe symptoms). Our current mortality rate in that regard is 1.2 percent. But what if the virus in reality is 5x as prevalent as the confirmed case count, the mortality rate is around flu levels, which people would emotionally be more comfortable with.

    I also think the general populace is under the impression that the stay at home orders and such mean that this virus is so deadly, you need to check out of society or face certain death, when it's just about the oft-repeated "flattening the curve."
    There is one very serious fallacy in his analysis. He can’t draw some comparisons to China and Korea. Both of those countries had single well confined epicenters with strong confinement and effective tracking and in the case of Korea testing.
    The audio I posted included data from a city in Italy, Padua where every single person was tested, how many were positive and how many of the positive were symptomatic, ins ution of quarantining of positives, retesting of the non-quarantined and how many of those became positive. Also another study in the audio discuses testing patients who were antibody positive, had been infected and developed immunity and how that information could be used. Good listen for those who want some hard data points.

    As a subjective impression of what’s going on there’s an article in The NY Times of the devastation happening in NYC hospitals right now soon to get far, far worse.
    Last edited by picnroll; 03-21-2020 at 01:58 PM.

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    Smart folks working around the clock on treatments

    https://www.realclearscience.com/art...gs_111330.html

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    Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19

    https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894

    More world wide data gathered in one article than I’ve seen anywhere else. His numbers give some hope that it’s not as bad as the media has been selling it. Hope he’s correct.
    Was about to post this.
    Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

    Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.

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    Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

    Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.
    Right. I think media and government are are talking about so many things at once they forget to repeat the main points: All this is being done to flatten the curve. Wash your hands and keep your distance. Quit hoarding. Really needs to be the tag line for every media story and government address.

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    Well the medical community needs to buy a whole lot of in short supply so I hope someone is selling it.
    They need more rooms, space and medical people in some big cities right now, in addition to gloves, gowns, equipment for lungs.
    NY is already releasing patients non covid early too make room.
    Again, the "Airport" example:::"You don't plan for a once in a century snow storm. You plan for a regular winter and then when the once in a century snowstorm happens you work around the clock and do the best you can."

    That's what we're doing. We're working around the clock, doing the best we can. God willing & the creek don't rise the vast lion's share of this "addition to gloves, equipment for lungs," et al will, before Election Day find itself in "surplus stores" & eBay & Internet sales rooms for pennies on the dollar, or, unsaleable.

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    Right. I think media and government are are talking about so many things at once they forget to repeat the main points: All this is being done to flatten the curve. Wash your hands and keep your distance. Quit hoarding. Really needs to be the tag line for every media story and government address.
    "We're" not going to quit hoarding, Dumps. It's a frenzy now, an American frenzy, almost a dare (to stop).

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    "We're" not going to quit hoarding, Dumps. It's a frenzy now, an American frenzy, almost a dare (to stop).
    Yep, Trump isn't even trying to stop you.

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    Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.


    Amazing that Koch Bros troll even put that in there,

    I guess his idea was to imply that the dysfunctional /under-supplied USA for-profit Capitalist healthcare system, geared totally to maximize profits and minimize healthcare, is "ABLE to address demands"

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    We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

    Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.

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    Again, the "Airport" example:::"You don't plan for a once in a century snow storm. You plan for a regular winter and then when the once in a century snowstorm happens you work around the clock and do the best you can."

    That's what we're doing. We're working around the clock, doing the best we can. God willing & the creek don't rise the vast lion's share of this "addition to gloves, equipment for lungs," et al will, before Election Day find itself in "surplus stores" & eBay & Internet sales rooms for pennies on the dollar, or, unsaleable.
    After this is over there will be government warehouses with the essentials ready to distribute.
    A plan for converting regular hospital rooms to ICUs. A plan for moving medical people to alleviate dead tired workers.
    This is not that century snowstorm that just hit the Northeast. This is not a cat 6 hurricane that struck the gulf coast.

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    We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

    Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.
    Be careful. Fear mongering can lead to worse things than the current coronavirus outlook. You see how stupid the people are as a group, spook them and they stampede. The fallout could make fighting the virus that much more difficult.

    If you drive to work daily, as many here do, you know that there's a percentage of people who take advantage of what others do to create a safe driving experience for everyone, by bypassing safe driving tactics and cutting through traffic to avoid being in the que. The fact there's a que makes it possible for that many cars to exist on the road at the same time, and these people accept that and need it, but they are parasitic and do not participate. The same will happen with these virus preparations. Some will take advantage of the fact the rest of us do things to make our surroundings palpable, like only taking what you need. They will instead take everything they can and pretend they are an anomaly, a flier that can be dismissed because it doesn't affect the overall numbers. Get a lot doing that and you have what you have now.

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    After this is over there will be government warehouses with the essentials ready to distribute.
    A plan for converting regular hospital rooms to ICUs. A plan for moving medical people to alleviate dead tired workers.
    New uses for dead malls and big boxes!

    This finally broke one of my sisters. She's sending me new age-y YouTubes that are basically QAnon. So half the surviving children are nutbags; only question is which half.

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    There is one very serious fallacy in his analysis. He can’t draw some comparisons to China and Korea. Both of those countries had single well confined epicenters with strong confinement and effective tracking and in the case of Korea testing.
    The audio I posted included data from a city in Italy, Padua where every single person was tested, how many were positive and how many of the positive were symptomatic, ins ution of quarantining of positives, retesting of the non-quarantined and how many of those became positive. Also another study in the audio discuses testing patients who were antibody positive, had been infected and developed immunity and how that information could be used. Good listen for those who want some hard data points.

    As a subjective impression of what’s going on there’s an article in The NY Times of the devastation happening in NYC hospitals right now soon to get far, far worse.
    As he did in the article, I'll theorize those were just defined as epicenters after the fact. China tried to hide the virus for a couple months into the Lunar New Year, where there was no lockdown and they freely moved about their country and the world. There's probably multiple epicenters we'll never know about and cases that were never reported since the affected persons probably thought they had a cold. Any deaths during that time frame were probably attributed to viral pneumonia brought on by the flu. Just an anecdote, but many workers I know at the local Casino here (which has thousands of Asian customers [of course not all Chinese, but stands to reason some of them are]) all got sick at the same time with Covid symptoms. Basically, I think this virus has been circulating here for far longer than we know. I have a hard time believing we pinned down the patient zero (supposedly the man in Seattle).

    But yeah, don't disagree that densely populated areas in climates and lifestyles that are hospitable to Covid transmission will be hit harder, like New York. I don't see the fate of Texas, Florida, California, and the Midwest in general suffering the same fate. Less population density, warmer climate, little mass transit. So that's why I take issue with the doomsday scenarios that the virus will sweep through the entire country and every US city will become a version of Italy.

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    We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

    Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.
    DMC beat me to it. Fear mongering is not the way to go. Educating people is.

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    Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

    Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.
    I think even the most ardent conservative will agree with flattening the curve. Where conservatives do have a point, though, is I don't think a state like Utah needs to be under the same restraints as New York. Many of those sparsely populated, Midwest and warmer Southwest states rely on "mainstreet" for pretty much everything. Even a one month lockdown where only "essential" businesses are allowed to operate could economically destroy many of those communities. I can empathize with there concerns here.

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    Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling , hand-over-fist to 100% of America.
    In 2013 they were even selling our .

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