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    Nobody has it figured out. It may not turn out as optimistic as the Oxford study, but definitely not as fire as worst case studies. Recovered and the dead don't spread.


    Well yeah. We've acted even if it's piecemeal. The worst case was with zero action. But that being said, our half ass d efforts are going to cause people to die

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    Are you guys trying to support local restaurants with take out?

    Or, paranoid about it?
    Paranoid about it.

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    No. So you have to weigh all the information and come to your own conclusions. That's all we can do. I lean more toward the "optimistic" side, at least relative to the 60 million/3 million dead scenarios. I also believe we won't become the next Italy in terms of mortality rate.
    3 million definitely is fairly out of range. Poor social distancing is still way better than no action.

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    Well yeah. We've acted even if it's piecemeal. The worst case was with zero action. But that being said, our half ass d efforts are going to cause people to die
    Slow rollout of testing was an epic fail, for sure

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    The good news: coronavirus is not foodborne. That means you can't get the coronavirus by ingesting food. You can get it from people, of course, those who sneeze, cough or exhale the coronavirus. Which is why we're told not to touch others, nor stay too close to others, and to wash our hands often.
    But still, do you need to worry about how you handle food? What if someone sneezed on your apple? Can you still eat your steak rare? What about sushi – is it safe to eat?
    We asked two food scientists at Rutgers University – graduate program director Donald Schaffner and professor emeritus Thomas Montville – on how tobest handle food to protect us against the coronavirus.
    Question:Experts say the coronavirus is not foodborne. Yet, they strongly suspect animals in China – in a food market, no less – were the likely source of the initial infection. So doesn't that mean that it is foodborne?
    Donald Schaffner: It's thought that the virus was transmitted by animals not by eating them but by having close proximity to the animals. Viruses can jump between species and that's what most probably happened. Most probably it was a respiratory transmission.
    How to care for your dry, raw handsafter washing them to prevent coronavirus

    Question:Experts say the coronavirus is not foodborne. Yet, they strongly suspect animals in China – in a food market, no less – were the likely source of the initial infection. So doesn't that mean that it is foodborne?
    Donald Schaffner: It's thought that the virus was transmitted by animals not by eating them but by having close proximity to the animals. Viruses can jump between species and that's what most probably happened. Most probably it was a respiratory transmission.
    How to care for your dry, raw handsafter washing them to prevent coronavirus
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    Question: Do I need to wash fruits and vegetables for a longer time due to the coronavirus? Do I need to “sanitize” them with soap?
    Thomas Montville: Wash your fruits and vegetables as usual, or even with a little warm soapy water. We should always wash our fruits and vegetables. That's just good safety practice.
    Question:What about meat? While the virus is not foodborne, what if the butcher has coronavirus and touched the meat? Can I now get the virus?
    Montville: Cooking would kill the virus.
    Schaffner:Scientists will never say anything is at zero risk, but I'm not worried at all about getting the coronavirus from food. Hypothetically, yes, perhaps your piece of meat could have the virus on it. But your stomach acids will kill it. Plus the coronavirus is not equipped to get through your intestine's walls, which is how foodborne diseases make you sick.
    Question:What about raw foods, like sushi or steak tartare?
    Montville: You will never find a food scientist who eats tartare. It can be contaminated with pathogenic bacteria – E. coli, salmonella, listeria. In fact, it's a risk to eat a hamburger rare. As far as sushi, I just don't eat it.


    Question: What about all the paper bags food comes in? Do I need to worry about them?
    Montville: There's no scientific data that's related to that. It's believed that the virus can survive on cardboard for 24 hours; steel or wood for maybe three days. The mantra in food science is: Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands.And cook your food.
    Esther Davidowitz is the food editor for NorthJersey.com. For more on where to dine and drink, please subscribe today and sign up for our North Jersey Eats newsletter.

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    We have a fill stocked fridge but have been getting take out and delivery to support local business. We're all in this together.

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    3 million definitely is fairly out of range. Poor social distancing is still way better than no action.

    People just being mindful and having better hand hygiene should have significant benefits.

    I would not get on an elevator or any form of public transport at this point.

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    People are going to on me for posting this, but he should ask his doctor for that hydrocloroquine and z-pak coctail.
    Aka fish tank cleaner

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    Slow rollout of testing was an epic fail, for sure
    Honestly they haven't followed any of the plans laid out for them for this. The leadership at the federal level is atrocious. Then at the state level it's good in some places and awful in others like Mississippi.

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    We have a fill stocked fridge but have been getting take out and delivery to support local business. We're all in this together.
    I ordered a couple of pizzas on Tuesday and the delivery guy was so grateful that it made me tear up a bit. Gave him a generous tip and told him to be safe.

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    Sorry to hear that. Has to be very stressful.

    On the positive side, he had his surgery and got out of there before went crazy.

    My mother is the same age. Luckily, she has this awesome neighbor that gets things for her at the store.
    Well, it is more time than I have spent iwth him than I have since I joined the army.

    Had to go back to the hospital for some paperwork, and they had already started limiting visitors and taking temperatures.

    I am used to getting the occasional "thanks for your service", and it occurred to me that it was my turn to thank the floor nurses. I knew what was coming. They blushed a bit, but it seemed important to me for them to get that sense of people having their back before things got heavy.

    Seeing the first hand accounts of the medical personnel responding, I think we may be doing the same.

    We have plunked down trillions for wars... maybe time to plunk down a bit for pandemic preparedness.

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    Honestly they haven't followed any of the plans laid out for them for this. The leadership at the federal level is atrocious. Then at the state level it's good in some places and awful in others like Mississippi.
    I just listen to Fauci at this point. I think our local leadership (in SA) has done a good job.

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    Cannot afford to. If it was just me... I would, and tip really well.

    But

    I am currently holed up with my 76 year old dad. Came up right before everything, because he had a minor surgery. Decided to stay when I saw this coming, as I can work remotely. Boss closed office last week, so I simply stayed. Sucks I am separated from my wife and sons, one of which has asthma. She isn't eating any take out either, and is as terrified for my son, as I am for my father.

    Just not a risk worth taking, IMO.
    Yep, that changes everything.

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    Well, it is more time than I have spent iwth him than I have since I joined the army.

    Had to go back to the hospital for some paperwork, and they had already started limiting visitors and taking temperatures.

    I am used to getting the occasional "thanks for your service", and it occurred to me that it was my turn to thank the floor nurses. I knew what was coming. They blushed a bit, but it seemed important to me for them to get that sense of people having their back before things got heavy.

    Seeing the first hand accounts of the medical personnel responding, I think we may be doing the same.

    We have plunked down trillions for wars... maybe time to plunk down a bit for pandemic preparedness.

    Definitely more equipment, for sure.

    I am optimistic about the scientific efforts going on right now.

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    damn, now i feel like an asshole for not getting takeout

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    We didn't ban travel from China until end of January (which was heavily criticized). I can only imagine how much better we'd be if that ban was on Jan. 1.

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    Mostly canned . Gets old at some point.

    At worst I can live off snacks and but in the long term that's just not healthy. Granted pizza is no better but what are you gonna do? I cant cook and I live alone.
    there are some very easy/basic meals you can learn to cook on your own besides canned food.

    must be expensive as not being able to prep meals tbh ... before i moved and still worked out of the office, i would still bring homemade lunches from home to work every day (except fridays where lunches were provided) and would marvel when staff/secretaries would go out to get lunch every day. that adds up. then again a lot of those were kids who lived with parents, didnt have many bills, etc.

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    there are some very easy/basic meals you can learn to cook on your own besides canned food.

    must be expensive as not being able to prep meals tbh

    And there are plenty of decent frozen meals.

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    Honestly they haven't followed any of the plans laid out for them for this. The leadership at the federal level is atrocious. Then at the state level it's good in some places and awful in others like Mississippi.
    They literally had a playbook called "The Playbook."

    “Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

    Jesus.

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    this is our starter kit for about 3/4 of the meals we make. soups, pastas, or even mixed with rice. does the annoying work for you. and it comes packaged so you dont have to worry about dozens of customers having touched the food


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    Well yeah. We've acted even if it's piecemeal. The worst case was with zero action. But that being said, our half ass d efforts are going to cause people to die
    Eyup. When one does an organizational analysis for risks, and risk mitigation strategies, i.e. leadership, you look for the "tone at the top" and how that gets promulgated.

    Trumps early downplaying of this set the tone for all the general lackadaisical stuff that followed after it. Fox followed suit for a week or two and that was enough for it to sink into the collective cult. Even when he reversed message, the damage had already been done.

    It is kind of shocking to watch. His instinct to make himself seem better at his job than he actually is, i.e. image over substance, is literally going to kill people.

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    this is our starter kit for about 3/4 of the meals we make. soups, pastas, or even mixed with rice. does the annoying work for you. and it comes packaged so you dont have to worry about dozens of customers having touched the food

    Man, I'm lucky to get any produce at HEB. I normally get something like that for a lazy weeknight. Now, I wish they did have those. That said, my strategy at the store has almost been the opposite of that. Rather than avoiding food people touched, I take anything I touch. I don't want to have corona and be spreading it around trying to find the perfect apple or something. I can always wash it off at home.

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    Man, I'm lucky to get any produce at HEB. I normally get something like that for a lazy weeknight. Now, I wish they did have those. That said, my strategy at the store has almost been the opposite of that. Rather than avoiding food people touched, I take anything I touch. I don't want to have corona and be spreading it around trying to find the perfect apple or something. I can always wash it off at home.
    Not even bothering with fresh produce ATM. Frozen and canned are just fine for now.

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    damn, now i feel like an asshole for not getting takeout
    Dude we understand, it's hard to eat out on a lawyer's salary.

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    They literally had a playbook called "The Playbook."

    “Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

    Jesus.
    Eyup. This whole ing thing is a text-book case of mismanagement. Inconsistent messaging, unscientific advice, failure to practice plans, etc. The campaign ads are already writing themselves.

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