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    So why the scorn for Fauci from January?
    No scorn, just saying that our best experts couldn't have predicted this outcome from our knowledge in January.

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    @ anyone who thinks Darrin is “too smart for this”
    ^who is this got?

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    I think we have much more information now than we had in January. WHO was still saying there was no human-human spread back then.

    Can you point me to some articles from early February that suggested we should start shutting everything down?
    We actually learned about human to human contagion at the tail end of January. By January 23rd China implemented the Hubei lockdowns.

    Heck, this administration's only saving grace so far was shutting down travel from China in January 27th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns

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    We actually learned about human to human contagion at the tail end of January. By January 23rd China implemented the Hubei lockdowns.

    Heck, this administration's only saving grace so far was shutting down travel from China in January 27th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns

    That travel ban was heavily criticized.

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    Also lockdowns is a misnomer. We should've started stockpiling masks, ventilators, etc. That's what being ready meant.

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    That travel ban was heavily criticized.
    ok?

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    That travel ban was heavily criticized.
    Mostly for being too little, too late.

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    Also lockdowns is a misnomer. We should've started stockpiling masks, ventilators, etc. That's what being ready meant.

    That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson?

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    Also lockdowns is a misnomer. We should've started stockpiling masks, ventilators, etc. That's what being ready meant.
    Eyup. The needs of this were plain to any expert.

    This is the cost of lost time from Trump/Bolton getting rid of the pandemic team.

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    Mostly for being too little, too late.
    not limited to that. a lot of the criticism was calling it xenophobic.

    it was objectively a good move. my problem is the administration keeps pointing to that as "see we did everything we could stop saying we didn't act prudently" when that was just 1 (albeit important) step

    they did next to nothing to mitigate the spread here or address our unpreparedness
    Last edited by spurraider21; 04-03-2020 at 09:10 PM.

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    Eyup. The needs of this were plain to any expert.

    This is the cost of lost time from Trump/Bolton getting rid of the pandemic team.

    You should post all those vids from Dems calling for masks and ventilators back in Feb. Oh, they were still reeling from re ed impeachment fiasco.

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    Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

    More than double the covid-19 count.

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    That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson?
    Who didn't? There were already talks about South Korea doing massive testing, etc.

    I mean, I guess you were paying attention to the idiot that said we only had 15 cases and this was going to disappear like a miracle, and you didn't notice

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    not limited to that. a lot of the criticism was calling it xenophobic.

    it was objectively a good move. my problem is the administration keeps pointing to that as "see we did everything we could stop saying we didn't act prudently" when that was just 1 (albeit important) step

    they did next to nothing to mitigate the spread year or address our unpreparedness
    Of course it was a good move in hindsight, and for people that always complain that this administration doesn't get credit, well, they certainly do get credit for that. You just can't use that as a shield for the other 1000 ups, especially when they're still ongoing.

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    We already knew about the need for ventilators back in February.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rain-hospitals
    https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/0...-strained.html

    Here's another warning from early February, from a doctor:

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/07/...navirus-cases/

    Much of that work revolves around hospitals planning for what Biddinger called the “four S’s” of a surge in patients amid an outbreak: supplies, staff, space, and the system that governs all of them.

    They need to review their inventory of supplies, including ventilators, oxygen tanks, and the respirator masks that health workers might need to wear to care for infected patients. They need to plan for how to protect other patients in the hospital, particularly those with weak immune systems. They need to review screening procedures and the proper way to put on protective gear. And they need to educate everyone — from the front desk employees in the ER to the workers who take out the trash in patient rooms — in those protocols.


    Great to pretend now that we didn't know, just not true.

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    That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson?
    From distraction to disaster: How coronavirus crept up on Washington

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...lacency-155058

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    We're likely going to make some masks this weekend but man people are going to have a hard time getting them.
    Yeah I have some coming in I ordered about a week ago; box of surgical and a couple KN95s. Didn't get quite as gouged as I thought I would.

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    That travel ban was heavily criticized.
    Were there mean tweets?

    Did that criticism make Trump curl up into fetal position when it came to any other proactive measures?

    Let me know just how much slack you want us to cut the ing President of the United States.

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    That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson?


    Defend this, Darrin.

    Let's see it. Maybe you got a little jokey-joke to add to it.

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    From distraction to disaster: How coronavirus crept up on Washington

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...lacency-155058

    Good read.

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    Everybody had a clue except Trash and a couple of idiot entourage.

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    We'll be fine, just have to take it on the chin for about a year or more, Cub. The unemployment thing was always going to happen, shutdown or no shutdown, because businesses that rely on some sort of crowd (bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, casinos, etc) were going to take a hit regardless. People aren't going to want to go out and risk catching this bug. And yes, it's contagious. We don't have herd immunity plus vaccine. Pretty much every American will get it at some point (could take 10 years). We don't collectively fear the flu like this because we have vaccine, anti-viral treatments, and a degree of herd immunity.

    But in a year, that herd immunity will be built up enough (say, 30 million Americans), the vaccine will soon follow, and there will be proven anti-virals that work, and THEN this will basically be the flu (I do believe mortality is around flu levels when all the data gets in).
    Damn, that's grim business, Midst.

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    That travel ban was heavily criticized.
    Tell it, D.

    Testify!!!

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    This is a jokey-joke.

    It's also precisely true.


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    TWO MONTHS after
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    restricted China travel Biden says he supports it.

    After 2 months of bashing the restrictions as “xenophobia” & “fear-mongering.”

    That’s not leadership. That’s bad judgment


    Lol biden

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