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    See how Manny responded and he's also not a doctor?
    Great. I have never objected to this thing that has been going on this entire time. We've been talking about it ever since the study came out. Leave it to the people who have already worked it out.

    You're really good at dumbing things down. Real pro.
    What are you arguing here?

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    That's literally cuz Trump

    Well if you get a serious case of the Covid don't mention treatment with Hydroxychloroquine/Zithro or Remdesevir to your doctor. Hopefully they won't mention it either and it will be like Trump never talked about them at all.
    Ha, no its not. Trump knew nothing about the drug until others were using it. The idea that Trump is leading the charge on any type of treatment is hilarious.

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    Look at public lab testing vs private. You tell me who's more capable - highly skilled career minded folks or quota fillers who make less than a clerk at HEB and basically are looking for the time/age retirement exit? Public labs are lagging behind because they have a ton of red tape, which wouldn't go away in a national HC system.
    They think this crisis makes a good case for all of healthcare to be run by a central govt bureaucracy
    Ok, lets look at private vs public testing. Y'all know every other nation that is above us in per capita testing has nationalized healthcare? The fact that private labs here are only now doing a decent job at the DIRECTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT sure isn't making the point you guys think it is. You realize that US health lags a lot of countries with nationalized health care?

    Not really sure why y'all are smug on this end but whats new?

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    Ha, no its not. Trump knew nothing about the drug until others were using it. The idea that Trump is leading the charge on any type of treatment is hilarious.
    Well first,my apologies for my snarky response to your honest answer. I've been trolling today with RG and Chump. Start self quarantine February and by the time I was over my su ious illness the whole country was in lockdown. So I'm bored as .

    Trump and Dr. Fauci are in full agreement the parallel approach. Fauci has said this, which is no surprise considering Fauci has advocated for it since the HIV epidemec.

    So what is the issue with Trump making sure that all Doctors are aware of the treatment and could use the treatment off label with informed conset?

    What is the issue with Trump making every patient (who's paying attention) that this treatment is available through their doctor?
    Last edited by SnakeBoy; 04-09-2020 at 03:13 AM.

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    That's literally cuz Trump

    Well if you get a serious case of the Covid don't mention treatment with Hydroxychloroquine/Zithro or Remdesevir to your doctor. Hopefully they won't mention it either and it will be like Trump never talked about them at all.
    Can't tell if serious or just trying to trigger lil libs. If serious, do you ask for medical advice to the guy at the deli in HEB?

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    The red tape and "I'm not signing it" approach the government uses even during a crisis is why I never want them in charge of healthcare.
    You mean that's preferable to selling snake oil or even worse, medication that can cause more damage without solving the problem in the first place? I'll take the red tape.

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    They think this crisis makes a good case for all of healthcare to be run by a central govt bureaucracy
    yeah, fortunately socialist states of america is covering all tests, hopefully treatments are next.

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    Federal aid for COVID-19 testing sites ends tomorrow.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-as-peak-nears

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    What is the issue with Trump making every patient (who's paying attention) that this treatment is available through their doctor?
    I have a number of issues. First of all, he publicized a drug whose effectiveness to treat covid is still to be determined, but it's pretty important for other patients with other illnesses. The hoarding of the drug can be directly attributed to his pimping for it, and that has caused a measurable damage.

    Second, the patient shouldn't be making any such decisions on their own. This is why a medical professional looks at your chart before writing prescriptions, check for drug interactions, etc. People with macular degeneration (more common in older folks) probably want to skip this thing, especially if asymptomatic.

    But you don't get that info from the snake oil salesman... you get the "well, what do you have to lose?". That's why you don't ask for medical advise from the guy at the deli in HEB. You ask your wife (in your or my case) or a doctor, or somebody with medical training.

    This whole thing turned into a political boiling pot where people apparently want it to work or not work coz they want to gotcha the other side, and it's people's health we're talking about here.

    Rationally speaking, every time POTUS pimps drug X or treatment Y, we should all collectively roll our eyes and move on.

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    Do we do medical experiments on convicts?

    https://news.yahoo.com/bureau-prison...161315844.html

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    Prestigious scientific panel tells White House coronavirus won't go away with warmer weather

    In their letter to the White House, members of a National Academy of Sciences committee said data is mixed on whether coronavirus spreads as easily in warm weather as it does in cold weather, but that it might not matter much given that so few people in the world are immune to coronavirus.

    "There is some evidence to suggest that [coronavirus] may transmit less efficiently in environments with higher ambient temperature and humidity; however, given the lack of host immunity globally, this reduction in transmission efficiency may not lead to a significant reduction in disease spread without the concomitant adoption of major public health interventions," according to the letter.

    The letter noted, for example, that a study of the outbreak in China showed that even under maximum temperature and humidity conditions, the virus spread "exponentially," with every infected person spreading it to nearly two other people on average.

    Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, who is not a member of the NAS committee, said, "Although we can hope weather will make some contribution to the reduction in transmission, we can't rely on it alone. We have to continue to employ social distancing and other measures to reduce transmission."

    President Trump has said coronavirus will recede with warmer weather.

    "A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April," he said on February 10 in remarks to the nation's governors.
    Trump repeated the claim later that day at a political rally in New Hampshire.

    "Looks like in April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away," he said.

    He said it a third time that day on an appearance on Fox News.

    "You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to," he said.

    Schaffner, an adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, noted that the NAS report gives "a more sobering assessment" of the situation than Trump did.

    "The president walks on the sunny side of the street, and this takes us over to the shady side of the street," Schaffner said. "It makes us realize that springtime is likely not going to be a total solution."
    The letter from the NAS scientists notes that some laboratory studies have shown reduced
    transmission of the virus under warmer and more humid conditions, but that it's still a concern.
    The letter describes how Chad Roy, a researcher at Tulane University, subjected the virus to hot and humid temperatures in the laboratory, and studied it for 16 hours.

    Roy reports "surprisingly" that new coronavirus lived longer than flu, monkeypox, tuberculosis or the coronavirus that causes SARS, known as severe acute respiratory syndrome, according to the letter from the NAS's Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats.

    The scientists sent the letter to Kelvin Droegemeier at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

    The letter points out that in the real world, the virus is still transmitting in countries with warm weather.

    "Given that countries currently in 'summer' climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed," according to the letter.

    The letter also notes that while flu typically is seasonal, that's not necessarily the case when there's a new strain of the flu and very few individuals have any immunity.

    New strains of flu have broken out in warm and cold weather, and then there's been a second wave about six months later.

    Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist, noted that while the coronaviruses that cause the common cold are seasonal, this new coronavirus is different because it originated in animals, not humans.

    "It's unclear how this virus is going to act," said Offit, a professor of pediatrics at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

    https://apple.news/ATAcFtqbjTb6OW6Yk8wCKgw

    So much for another of professor Trumps proclimations.

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    The tale of the lack of widespread testing and lack of reporting on COVID-19 hospitalizations, is told in sickness and death. We're fighting COVID-19 somewhat in the dark because we don't know who has it or where it's breaking out.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/w...h-covid-19/amp

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    The tale of the lack of widespread testing and lack of reporting on COVID-19 hospitalizations, is told in sickness and death. We're fighting COVID-19 somewhat in the dark because we don't know who has it or where it's breaking out.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/w...h-covid-19/amp

    Weve known this,and it seems to only be getting worse in terms of testing

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    Well first,my apologies for my snarky response to your honest answer. I've been trolling today with RG and Chump. Start self quarantine February and by the time I was over my su ious illness the whole country was in lockdown. So I'm bored as .

    Trump and Dr. Fauci are in full agreement the parallel approach. Fauci has said this, which is no surprise considering Fauci has advocated for it since the HIV epidemec.

    So what is the issue with Trump making sure that all Doctors are aware of the treatment and could use the treatment off label with informed conset?

    What is the issue with Trump making every patient (who's paying attention) that this treatment is available through their doctor?
    In one presser Trump even said he might even take it prophylaxictively. What do you think about him making that statement?

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    GET BACK TO WORK PLEBES, THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE

    The New York Times ran an article on Monday based on interviews of medical experts on what needed to be in place to relax the lockdowns with reasonable safety. Its four requirements:

    Hospitals in the state must be able to safely treat all patients requiring hospitalization, without resorting to crisis standards of care.

    A state needs to be able to at least test everyone who has symptoms.

    The state is able to conduct monitoring of confirmed cases and contacts.

    There must be a sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days.

    Needless to say, the US is not even close to meeting these standards. From the close of the story:

    Gregg Gonsalves, a professor of epidemiology and law at Yale, said: “I’d feel better if we had serological testing, and could preferentially allow those who are antibody positive and no longer infectious to return to work first. The point is, though, that we are nowhere even near accomplishing any of these criteria. Opening up before then will be met with a resurgence of the virus.”
    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020...lockdowns.html

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    GET BACK TO WORK PLEBES, THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020...lockdowns.html

    We are soo ed

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    10% US unemployment

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    I believe we will be like Spain and government will keep promising to open up every 2 weeks and it will go on for a while.

    repeat we will not open anything up for at least 6 more weks

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    We don’ t want no stinkin medical opinions. Team Trump

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    at the expense of safety.
    ... at the expense of disease and death.

    Profits over people, always. Criminal negligent manslaughter


    "CDC guidelines in effect at the time that said health care professionals,

    even after being exposed to a COVID-19 patient, could continue working"

    Trash/Repug toadies at CDC hitting another home run.



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    So Trash is up there at pressers, shaking hands, getting up close and personal with everyone, no mask. Meanwhile everyone who gets within a quarter mile of Trash has to be first first tested with Abbott’s rapid test kit. Another great message from our beloved leader.

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    Weve known this,and it seems to only be getting worse in terms of testing
    Federal assistance for testing stops tomorrow.

    Undertesting has been the tacit US policy all along.

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    Speed of coronavirus deaths shock doctors as New York toll hits new high

    New York state, epicenter of America’s coronavirus crisis, set

    another single-day record of COVID-19 deaths on Wednesday,

    as veteran doctors and nurses voiced astonishment at the speed with which patients were deteriorating and dying.

    authorities warned that the official death tally may understate the true number because it

    omits those who have perished at home.

    “This virus attacked the vulnerable and attacked the weak, and

    it’s our job as a society to protect the vulnerable.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...Health+News%29

    "... a society to protect the vulnerable.”

    WTF that's not Darwinian-survival-of-the-greediest Capitalism

    WTF that's not America



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