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Christian Conservatives please don’t go to hospitals jeopardizing healthcare workers after your stupid actions. Please die at home.
Apparently they do, as your videos show. Americans are used to doing whatever they want, whenever they want, and can't handle that the fat, happy, and gluttonous life they were accustomed to has to be put on hold for a few months, requiring them to sit their fat asses at home. The horror!
EVERY generation prior to Gen X was asked to sacrifice some "comfort" (or Freedumbs, as I like to call them in this context) in service of national health and security. Nothing about this situation is unprecedented in American history, yet the "Don't Tread on Me" crowd are acting like we're descending into an Orwellian nightmare.
A. Nation. Of. Spoiled. Children.
Christian Conservatives please don’t go to hospitals jeopardizing healthcare workers after your stupid actions. Please die at home.
^related to my post. This gal makes the point about prior gens sacrificing.
"You mean I gotta sit at home and watch the teevee! Aint no gubmint gonna tell me what to do! Bertha, bring me the rifle. Gonna shoot this here vy-rus back to China. Then gonna go to the twitter and post them crying Eagle pictures your Uncle Johnny Ray send me. Don't Tread on Me!"
Californians have already “bought in” for the most part. I don’t see a relaxing and opening of more businesses and parks/activities as something that just makes everyone say it back to normal. I see idiots jogging around here in masks and no one within 100 yards of them. I believe the general public here will still live in some fear and continue being paranoid even when things fully open up...not a bad thing.
Agree. We seem to doing well. I just hope the restless few don't it up. This virus can go ape just with a couple of super-spreaders.
On the contrary, I do understand the at ude of not wanting to live in fear. It's no way to live long-term. But for the short term, we have to live with cautious fear until we get more information about this virus (we can only speculate about its true mortality rate, how it transmits, the mild-to-severe ratio, etc). Maybe it is "just the flu." But we don't know that right now. In matters of life-and-death, guesswork doesn't cut it.
I don’t think the restless few could even it up for us at this point. We are further along than most.
I believe once we get mass antibody testing we’ll find out millions of us had already had it and didn’t know.
True. When it’s all said and done it will be interesting to compare our reaction and it’s impact on society as a whole based on the guesswork of the IHME model we’ve so heavily relied on. I think we’ll look back on this and realize a much more measured approach could have been taken state by state, county by county.
“ COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan laboratory not as a bioweapon, but as part of China's effort to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.
This may be the "costliest government coverup of all time," one of the sources said.
The sources believe the initial transmission of the virus was bat-to-human, and that "patient zero" worked at the laboratory, then went into the population in Wuhan.”
“In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...mpression=true
I can't agree with this logic entirely because I think when projecting the impact of what some event might have on a death toll, it's better safe than sorry, so assuming the upper bound/worse case scenario isn't a bad thing. The worst thing you could do is underestimate and cost an untold amount of deaths that could have been prevented.
Also, we're only a month into "lockdown," some states and regions are only a couple of weeks in. There's still time to apply a region specific measured approach. If anything, this crisis reveals a crack in our economic foundation more than anything. That we can't shutdown for even a month in the face of some crisis without potential economic meltdown. I'm not necessarily advocating for total socialism or anything like that, but I think after this, we need to reevaluate where the money goes. I'll harp on defense spending again. Trillions upon trillions essentially wasted to keep some 600 bases operating around the world, funding outdated conventional weapon projects, and protecting against some form of boogeyman.
The odds of another pandemic buckling us like this are greater than the proverbial goat farming Muslim doing us mass harm. As I've said before, would've been nice to have a 10 trillion dollar "rainy day fund" right about now, that could float small businesses and unemployed Americans throughout the crisis. Instead, we'd rather build F35s and "liberate" Irag.
Other side of the shutdown coin
Since the coronavirus shutdown began, nearly 17 million Americans have lost their jobs. That’s one-tenth of the nation’s workforce. It’s a public-health disaster. If the shutdown drags on, as many public-health experts recommend it should, it is almost certain to kill more Americans than the virus.
The academics and public-health officials who have concocted models of the virus’s spread are telling us that we have to continue the shutdown to save thousands of lives. It’s too bad none of their models considers the deaths that will be caused by unemployment.
Before the virus hit, America’s unemployment rate was 3.5 percent, the lowest in 50 years. Now Goldman Sachs predicts unemployment could e to 15 percent by midyear. A St. Louis Federal Reserve economist grimly predicts 32 percent unemployment — worse than during the Great Depression.
Job losses cause extreme suffering. Every 1 percent hike in the unemployment rate will likely produce a 3.3 percent increase in drug-overdose deaths and a 0.99 percent increase in suicides, according to data from the National Bureau of Economic Research and the medical journal Lancet.
These are facts based on past experience, not models. If unemployment hits 32 percent, some 77,000 Americans are likely to die from suicide and drug overdoses as a result of layoffs. Deaths of despair.
Then add the predictable deaths from alcohol abuse caused by #unemployment. Health economist Michael French from the University of Miami found a “significant association between job loss” and binge drinking and alcoholism.
The impact of layoffs goes #beyond suicide, drug overdosing and drinking, however. Overall, the death rate for an unemployed person is 63 percent higher than for someone with a job, according to findings in the journal Social Science & Medicine.
Now do the math: Layoff-related deaths could far outnumber the 60,400 coronavirus deaths predicted by University of Washington researchers. This comparison isn’t meant to understate the horror of the coronavirus for those who get it and their families.
But heavy-handed state edicts to close all “nonessential businesses” need to be reassessed in light of the predictable harm to the lives, livelihoods and health of the uninfected.
The shutdown was originally explained as a way to “flatten the curve,” allowing time to expand health-care capacity, so lives wouldn’t be needlessly lost in overwhelmed hospitals.
When the shutdown is lifted, cases will increase. Some epidemiologists predict the virus could return in a second wave this fall. But as President Trump reported Friday, hospitals are ready now, supplied with ventilators, caregivers and beds. Some cities are now oversupplied. Even New York state, with half the cases in the nation, reports enough beds. Temporary bed capacity provided by the military is empty (though some local hospitals have complained of red tape preventing patients from being sent there).
The president’s social-distancing guidelines expire April 30, suggesting the possibility of restarting parts of the economy shortly thereafter.
To make reopening possible, schools should resume in most places, so working parents can #return to jobs. Even in the Empire State, only a single child under the age of 10 has died. That’s tragic, but very unusual. Some 84 percent of fatalities in New York are people over 60. We have a duty to preserve human life, but we’re called to allocate our efforts reasonably, show concern for all lives.
On Monday, governors in several states heavily hit by the coronavirus announced they would work together regionally on plans to phase out the shutdown. On Tuesday, Trump announced a council assembled to formulate plans for reopening the nation for business.
It won’t be done by a flick of the switch. Getting back to business will hinge on testing, accommodations employers make for workers’ safety and the willingness of consumers to patronize restaurants, gyms and other businesses again.
The president’s public-health advisers want the virus to“determine the timetable.” But Trump should also take into account the concerns of the silent majority suffering from the shutdown. It’s more than just their jobs on the line. Their lives are, too.
Betsy McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York, is chairwoman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/we-mus...mpression=true
I don't believe the shutdown will last like this over 18 months or until the vaccine is discovered. I expect a region specific approach and the Singapore strategy of "on/off" as new cases dictate. But I think the "panic" in the run up was justified based on the limited data we had from Wuhan and then Italy (although I'll never agree with 2.2 million dead from the Imperial Model). The IME model was off on hospital usage, but it's projecting deaths fairly accurately. We seem to be on pace to exceed 60K, unfortunately.
That said, the fact unemployment can lead to a public health disaster illustrates the need for a much, much stronger safety net. We got too complacent over the years (and not just Trump, we can go all the way back to the 70s), thinking something like could never happen. It only happens "over there" or only happened "back then." Pandemics are a constant threat, and we've been lucky something like the Bird Flu didn't reach critical mass. But it could happen. This situation kind of reveals the human arrogance we have toward nature, thinking we're always in control. Sometimes we just have to "hide" until nature decides to let us out. We can't even beat the flu. It's still a mass killer. Now what happens if a worse flu occurs?
IHME model projecting deaths fairly accurately?
Have you not been following their updated projections?
"it is almost certain to kill more Americans than the virus."
kill how?
were you concerned that the oligarchy's neoliberalism/austerity led to 100Ks of American committing "suicides of despair", so many that national longevity actually decreased?
Trump ate China's with a spoon and kissed Xi's ass for it.
the concern now is not what happened in China, those forensics for later, but Xi won't cooperate.
Talking about China and WHO now is Fox/Repug deflecting from the catastrophe that they and Trash created
the concern now is how BADLY TRASH BOTCHED his response, leading red/slave states to follow, and WORSENED the disease and death toll.
Trash is CLEAR AND PRESENT MORTAL DANGER to America.
IIRC, their original projection was 82K, downgraded to 68K. They were WAY off about hospital resource use, which was the source of complaints from critics. We'll likely wind up in that 60-80K range.IHME model projecting deaths fairly accurately?
Have you not been following their updated projections?
Somehow, Trump and his supporters forgot that Red China is not governed by good guys.
Trump supporters are willing to die to reopen economy:
‘When it’s my time to go, God’s going to call me home’
Trump supporters are sparking a “protest movement” against social distancing restrictions aimed at forcing governors to reopen their economies at a time when tens of thousands of Americans have died from the virus in the span of just one month.
Ashley Smith, who founded an anti-social distancing group called “ReopenNC,” said that she wasn’t worried about dying as long as it means the economy can reopen.
“When it’s my time to go, God’s going to call me home,” she tells the publication. “I think that to live is inherently to take risks. I’m not concerned about this virus any more than I am about the flu.”
etc
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/tru...8460&list_id=1
Then there was lady that was safe because was splashed with Christ's blood
Wish asshole like these would just go home and die peacefully if they got infected...but no they just show up at the hospital ED begging for help not only risking the lives of others in the emergency waiting area but also the healthcare workers.
"Freedumbs" my friend.
"Freedumb
When people exercise freedom in a stupid manner, causing negative results."
A. Nation. Of. Spoiled. Children.
This isn't a personal attack or attack on someone's civil liberties...it's about personal responsibility and public safety. Several of us have been separated from our families because we're paranoid we might take something home. Throughout our history so many have sacrificed something and all these people have to do for a couple of weeks is sit their fat assess on a ing couch.
Yep. And those that sacrificed some liberty for the short term in service of public safety were "democrats and republicans" alike. The difference today, in the age of twitter, 24/7 news stations, conspiracy theories, and what not, is that EVERYTHING has to be framed as some culture war. These people don't give a about the economy. They probably can work from home, work a job that is naturally socially distanced, or are retired. They're "rebelling" against these measures because they perceive these measures to be a "liberal thing." Or perceive Covid-19 fear to be a "liberal thing."
I mean, , we've only been locked down for a month to two in' weeks. It's not much to ask from our population until we can get more clarity on the situation.
intelligence sources with high confidence
these are the same morons that had high confidence Trump colluded with russia
americans never ing learn that their intelligence agencies are ing their brains out
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