Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Splits]

Fify for honesty

Outside of China or NK (lol 25m) it makes no sense to underreport. You build sympathy and get "western investment" the more devastated you were, at least if you aren't a mooslim country.

[pgardn]

The countries that should be trusted the most are those with a large press apparatus that is allowed to be critical of their government.
That basically means Western influenced governments.

"but, but that msm... "

[DMC]

Outside of China or NK (lol 25m) it makes no sense to underreport. You build sympathy and get "western investment" the more devastated you were, at least if you aren't a mooslim country.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

The reporting mechanism in the US (CDC) isn't duplicated worldwide.

When it is, we can compare data accurately. Why make a value judgment on ty data? Just say you think the government is doing a ty job, but you've probably said so already. No need for bull data to support your bias.

[baseline bum]

The countries that should be trusted the most are those with a large press apparatus that is allowed to be critical of their government.
That basically means Western influenced governments.

"but, but that msm... "

[midnightpulp]

You cannot dismiss technology in a great military. Why is the US military so powerful if not for their technology? Do you think a human being in Russia isn't as capable as one in the US?

The ability to sit on a ship miles offshore and launch tomahawks into cities surgically doesn't factor into the military might? Or the night capabilities, the stealth recon abilities due to AWACS and satellite feeds? Real time threat assessment from drones, with ability to put ordinance on targets unmanned?

Aircraft carriers launching thousands of sorties, nuclear subs that can do stealth insertions of tactical teams?


Sure..

Don't get this rebuttal. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That the technology of the American military is unparalleled. And that technological might was achieved through a synthesis of private and public industry, resulting in "all Americans" basically owning that technology in a collective manner. If an enemy attacks us, that technology is deployed on behalf of everyone. The greatest American hospitals, doctors, and research is only "deployed" for those who can afford it. The American military protects both Jeff Bezos and the fast food worker, while Jeff Bezos can afford the Mayo Clinic, while the fast food worker has to settle for the local community hospital.

[DMC]

The countries that should be trusted the most are those with a large press apparatus that is allowed to be critical of their government.
That basically means Western influenced governments.

"but, but that msm... "

Non sequitur

Freedom of the press doesn't make MSM good.

[DMC]

Don't get this rebuttal. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That the technology of the American military is unparalleled. And that technological might was achieved through a synthesis of private and public industry, resulting in "all Americans" basically owning that technology in a collective manner. If an enemy attacks us, that technology is deployed on behalf of everyone. The greatest American hospitals, doctors, and research is only "deployed" for those who can afford it. The American military protects both Jeff Bezos and the fast food worker, while Jeff Bezos can afford the Mayo Clinic, while the fast food worker has to settle for the local community hospital.

The government doesn't develop its own technology. That's done by private industry. This "synthesis" claim is just bull . It's supply and demand. I suppose the American public has synthesis with companies like AT&T that drove the implementation of fiber optic networks.

The military finds ways to use technology but that doesn't mean we couldn't exist without it. We have a powerful war machine because the ability to push our weight around globally is why we are a superpower, and that means increased wealth. It's always about increased wealth.

[ElNono]

"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.""

You're comparing apples to oranges. Comparative data needs to be collected using one scheme, not dozens.

AFAIK, we do somewhat the same here... we're just finding out last week that some people that died earlier Feb due to "hearth attack" had covid.

[ElNono]

The government doesn't develop its own technology. That's done by private industry. This "synthesis" claim is just bull . It's supply and demand. I suppose the American public has synthesis with companies like AT&T that drove the implementation of fiber optic networks.

The military finds ways to use technology but that doesn't mean we couldn't exist without it. We have a powerful war machine because the ability to push our weight around globally is why we are a superpower, and that means increased wealth. It's always about increased wealth.

But the private industry doesn't do it unless government foots the bill. It's simply not good economic business sense for the private industry to spend trillions of dollars on a fishing expedition. The symbiosis is inescapable.

There's simply a higher mission than bean counting on why we want the private sector to potentially waste money in order for the US to acquire top tech.

[vy65]

I'm talking about China and other populous nations. If you're going to use metrics for confirmation bias, you might want to make sure the numbers are accurate.

So the answer is no, you can't answer the question. Figured as much you couldn't.

[Splits]

From what I read, we were supposed to get to the point of having a tested, working vaccine no earlier than next year, THEN start manufacturing. That's why I think this would be good news.

Obviously, your experience overrides anything I say on this topic.

I think I posted this when it hit the wires, but yeah the vaccine is ahead of normal schedule.

[Splits]

Scientists at the National Ins utes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quan ies of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test..

Barbaric. Can't we use Vegas or Georgia instead of the macaque?

[boutons_deux]

U.S. deaths soared in early weeks of pandemic, far exceeding number attributed to covid-19

An analysis of federal data for the first time estimates excess deaths --

the number beyond what would normally be expected -- during that period.




In the early weeks of the coronavirus epidemic, the United States recorded an estimated

15,400 excess deaths,

nearly two times as many as were publicly attributed to covid-19 at the time

occurred during March and through April 4, a time when 8,128 coronavirus deaths were reported.

in any pandemic, higher-than-normal mortality is a starting point for scientists seeking to understand the full impact of the disease.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...wpisrc=nl_most

The Trump Pandemic, killing for people than Viet Nam

[boutons_deux]

God can't even wipe his own ass and you think he's curing COVID?

And God can't handle money. He's always broke, and always soliciting for more money

[ElNono]

Barbaric. Can't we use Vegas or Georgia instead of the macaque?

not really, cuz Bill Gates, demonic eyes, etc

[RandomGuy]

Non sequitur

Freedom of the press doesn't make MSM good.

By definition, it does.

Free markets of ideas are the only way to weed out bad information.

liberal media bashing.

[baseline bum]

Don't get this rebuttal. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That the technology of the American military is unparalleled. And that technological might was achieved through a synthesis of private and public industry, resulting in "all Americans" basically owning that technology in a collective manner. If an enemy attacks us, that technology is deployed on behalf of everyone. The greatest American hospitals, doctors, and research is only "deployed" for those who can afford it. The American military protects both Jeff Bezos and the fast food worker, while Jeff Bezos can afford the Mayo Clinic, while the fast food worker has to settle for the local community hospital.

Um, the American military sacrifices the lives of those fast food worker types.

[Spurs Homer]

56000 dead americans

but on the positive side-


HER EMAILS!!!

[LkrFan]

Lysol Zero

[Reck]

We're now over 1 million cases. Yikes

[boutons_deux]

Um, the American military sacrifices the lives of those fast food worker types.

will Trump Pandemic and Trump Depression's unemployment drive people into the military, aka bottom-scraping employer of last resort?

[midnightpulp]

The government doesn't develop its own technology. That's done by private industry. This "synthesis" claim is just bull . It's supply and demand. I suppose the American public has synthesis with companies like AT&T that drove the implementation of fiber optic networks.

The military finds ways to use technology but that doesn't mean we couldn't exist without it. We have a powerful war machine because the ability to push our weight around globally is why we are a superpower, and that means increased wealth. It's always about increased wealth.

Sure, but it's for all citizens in general, even though some do profit more than others. Healthy citizens can lead to increased wealth just the same. The "there's more money in sickness than in health" only benefits the healthcare industry, not society at large. We all benefit from the reduced oil prices when we push our weight around, but we all don't benefit from reduced life expectancy. This is why the US is the sickest, most overmedicated, most psychologically troubled country in the OECD. Other countries and Eisenhower figured this out decades ago. But we're too brainwashed by the socialism word to change anything.

[midnightpulp]

Um, the American military sacrifices the lives of those fast food worker types.

I think you get the point I'm making. The conservative refrain against government run healthcare is that their interference will screw things up. This obviously makes no sense since the government runs their precious military, and despite some geopolitical ups, the American military has probably spawned more innovation than anything else over the past 60-70 years. So government isn't the obstacle to innovation and efficacy as these anti-socialists believe.

And if needed, we could make our own guns, tanks, planes right now, but can't make our own PPE and medicine . Just shows you how the pursuit of profit doesn't have a national allegiance, while a government run program would be "forced" to. We ain't making F-35s in China.

[ChumpDumper]

Is DMC still whining about the South Koreans?

[vy65]

Is DMC still whining about the South Koreans?